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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2015, 10:06:56 AM »
Here we use the standard languages for Web Design
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  • Javascript

As for the Server Language we use C# as we only develop (at least my sector) for ASP.NET platforms (SharePoint, Umbraco, MVC, etc..)
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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2015, 06:05:11 AM »
Thanks Soulshaker!

I havent tried out CSS at all. but i often see  it paired with HTML and JS.
I have to look into how they work together.

I really enjoy JS tho. I think It's taught me the most about OOP (tho ive heard people say its not a REAL OOP language).

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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2015, 06:53:03 AM »
JS is object-oriented, but I highly don't recommend using that to learn OOP. Ever.
I've been getting asked a lot about concepts in C++, C#, and Java in my interviews. Giving an example of encapsulation via Javascript would be laughable honestly.

I've also never had a formal class in learning OOP. My high school Java was mostly "this is what this syntax does, this is how you do this, now solve this problem for me". And since I did that so well, I was able to skip the first two college courses which covered OOP in C++. So yay me teaching myself a language I never used once in the first day of class. :U



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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2015, 05:37:21 AM »
Thanks for that input KK20. Id love to hear what you reccomend, as i value your opinion. I think JS still feels linear to me. so i feel comfortable and dont feel as confused by OOP. I understand the basic idea of OOP but theres something that just doesent click yet.
I'm one of those really difficult students....My mind functions in odd ways. My friend who got me into programming used to laugh at my code when I started.
he said "how does this even work? It doesent make sense...your code is all over"
but the truth is i didnt understand it but got the results.

one day while staying up over night trying to make an RPG battle system in TI-89 Basic. I spent hours and hours and hours. around 4 AM. the sun was coming up. my room had a nice orange glow to it.
I ran the game...
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It all made sense.

I made so many programs and games for TI-89. I understood that language so well. It was technically my gateway language.
It takes time and expermentation. and fiddling with other peoples code.
That was the first and the last language I invested that kind of time in.
My point is i havent invested enough hours in this to fully understand it.

What do you guys reccomend as a first OOP language? many webpages say Python.

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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2015, 09:37:45 AM »
Yeah, Python is great for beginners IMO. C# is good, too, but Python isn't strong-typed so learning stuff is easier with Python.
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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2015, 11:40:44 AM »
that depends on what you want from an Object oriented language. I think there is a lot of undeserved hype about OOP, it's not a be all end all language type and while it does make the typical set of programming problems easier it's obscures a lot of other things that are important to understand in programming.

Python is probably the purest OOP language you'll ever find if you want to understand what OOP is about then really delve deep, Python acts as you would expect on the surface but the "Python Way" is probably the closets you'll come to a perfectionist's view of OOP but the things that ARN'T inside the "Python Way" but can be pulled off show what you can do when everything is an object.

Ruby takes a different view of OOP, most things are objects but there a lot of "messages" passed around. Playing around with the depths of ruby is probably the fastest way to figure out OOP

JavaScript is ALSO OOP dispite it's apparent lack of classes or inheritance. It uses prototype inheritance which is yet another way to view OOP.

Languages like C++ and Java CLAIM to be OOP but they only really implement the most basic of OOP principles and while learning them is a good idea professionally speaking they arn't really OOP imho.

C# has evolved over the years and is now much closer to a true OOP than the previous 2, however it still has low level and static types with compiler magic so it like there are dynamic types.

hopefully that helps.
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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2015, 12:24:16 PM »
C++ and Java implement only basic OOP? What are you talking about?
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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2015, 11:20:19 PM »
C++ and Java treat objects (instantiated classes) as seconds class to basic types. so long as you have a strongly typed systemcertintly't have true OOP you can certainly employ OOP design principles effectively but the true strength of OOP can not be utilized in a language that wasn't designed with OOP in mind form the ground up. I might be able to explain it better with examples but I'd need to find my notes form my language design class, my memory is fuzzy.
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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2015, 12:29:27 AM »
Something about C++ being a "multi-paradigm programming language". It's above me and my levels of interest. It just feels like another one of those "the thumb is not a finger" debates.

Also found this while googling: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrCAl1zhuHI
That 1:30 mark and on...

As for Kiwa's question, Python and Ruby seem to be the general consensus.



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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2015, 09:51:38 AM »
C++ is meant to be an extension of C so it can have procedural code as well as object code (that's the multi-paradigm programming language part). But nothing limits C++ in being completely object oriented (except the main function). Just because it supports another paradigm, doesn't mean it's doesn't support OOP completely.
As for your video, yes. I never said it's a pure OOP. I said it implements all requirements of OOP which Ryex says it doesn't. It think it's stupid to define an OOP language by having restrictions what the language is allowed to do. That limits the evolution of the language itself. But LMAO at bashing Java. xD

@Ryex: I have never heard about OOP requiring that the language isn't strong-typed. Or other weird restrictions about what a language isn't allowed to do or have. In that case I never want to work in a full-OOP language. Strong typing is one of the best things in system design, because it forces the user to respect certain rules of the system and not fuck things up since 50% of all programmers start hacking as soon as you give them the chance.
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Re: Being a Programmer
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2015, 09:20:32 AM »
I found this artacle online. I thoguht people could take from it.
I'll link the page and spoiler the list.

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« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2015, 11:45:22 AM »
That's some really good advice. :nod:
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