YES I'M BACK, thanks to Nortos i was able to get back here, if when you say downtime your talking about the link on the old forum going to some SQL hosting site thing then hopfuly it gets fixed, cause i don't know how long i'm going to remember the way i got back here, to think, for a moment there, i thought i was going to have to give up hope here, and that's a hard thing for me to do since this is like my home away from home away from home, what that measn is that my home away from home is the MHHO Froum and my home away from that is here