Oh, lord, please!

[winkio]

All scientific knowledge that is taught in schools comes from the scientific process.  This means that there was evidence, research, experimentation, and models to support it.  This knowledge is taught because even if it is inaccurate, the methods by which it was obtained were reliable.  Thus the purpose of science is to teach knowledge and use the scientific process to gain new knowledge.

Religious knowledge, on the other hand, has very few sources, most of which are ancient.  It is not meant to grow, there is nothing new to be discovered.  While it can be very powerful to some on a personal level, religion is not something that should be taught in schools in the same classes as science.  Instead, it belongs in the realm of philosophy.

[Blizzard]

@winkio: I agree. Faith is not meant to have the same purpose as knowledge, but it can still be very valuable on a personal level. I can't exactly remember who said it (DeCarte maybe?), but there's an interesting quote I once heard. "If there was no good, man would do well to invent him." People need faith, people need hope. I drives them onward during difficult times and helps them get through the difficult moments in life.

About the "days" thing, its explained in the verses in between, but thats another subject.

In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

The Bible also explains that God protects his word. I dunno. You either believe it or not. One we or another, we will all find out the truth when we die whether the Bible is divine book, or the thoughts of a bunch of old guys long dead.

Yeah, things in the Bible tend to make little logical sense at times. This is where metaphorical understanding should come in IMO.

Now, now, I don't think most people, religious types included, believe that evolution in its entirety does not exist. Plants, animals, and everything else show abundant evidence of evolution.

No, only pure creationist Christians believe in that genesis from the Bible was exactly how it happened. Most other Christian groups accept genesis as a metaphor for creation. Hence why I said how one of god's days may not be the equivalent of a human day.

The difference is one "faith" is taught is to children in normal public schools as "this is how it was", and if the other was taught, it would cause a lawsuit.  It is the norm of the world, even if never directly said, that the evolution is somehow "more correct" than creation, even though there is no solid evidence of either.

As I said, creationists. In my school we were taught that god created everything. It doesn't matter how or whether the Bible describes it 100% accurately. It was only important that we understand that god is the creator. I am sure that the schooling system not only differs for different groups of Christians but also in different countries.

I refer to the "Big Bang" theory versus divine creation. There is NO evidence of any big bang, no more or less than God created Adam from dust, and yet it is the accepted theory.

Actually there is certain evidence of a big bang if I remember right. I think that it was something seeing 12+ billion year old light and some other stuff. I really don't remember so I won't discuss this any further since I can't really back it up at this moment. Maybe you google up something if you're interested. In either case it does not matter. Evidence does not prove anything.

I've read Ryex post after writing this. Though I believe that there was some different evidence as well. Don't take my word for it.

[RoseSkye]

Both creation and evolution when reduced  down result in a base belief that cannot be scientifically proven. It just comes down to where ones chooses to put their faith.  Its an ongoing debate that is pointless to try and prove on a purely intellectual viewpoint.

Bullocks. Evolution has been observed.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060811091251.htm

[Blizzard]

And it looks like it happened 6 years ago. Very interesting article, I recommend people to read it.

[Ryex]

Krabby used Crabhammer
Shelder used Protect
Crabhammer failed

And there you have it folks, proof that Pokemon are the ultimate end result of evolution.

[RoseSkye]

Krabby used Crabhammer
Shelder used Protect
Crabhammer failed

And there you have it folks, proof that Pokemon are the ultimate end result of evolution.

In this case it'd be more like guillotine or vice-grip.

[ForeverZer0]

Both creation and evolution when reduced  down result in a base belief that cannot be scientifically proven. It just comes down to where ones chooses to put their faith.  Its an ongoing debate that is pointless to try and prove on a purely intellectual viewpoint.

Bullocks. Evolution has been observed.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060811091251.htm

Bullocks. If you would have spent the time to read what I else I said, I never denied that species can evolve. I just don't believe in the the theory of the origins of life, which have never been proven.

[RoseSkye]

Both creation and evolution when reduced  down result in a base belief that cannot be scientifically proven. It just comes down to where ones chooses to put their faith.  Its an ongoing debate that is pointless to try and prove on a purely intellectual viewpoint.

Bullocks. Evolution has been observed.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060811091251.htm

Bullocks. If you would have spent the time to read what I else I said, I never denied that species can evolve. I just don't believe in the the theory of the origins of life, which have never been proven.

F-Zero... you're a smart guy and that's undeniable, so to save you from making such a mistake again I'll just show you two links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis - origin of life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution - how life mutates over generation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmology - study of how the universe began

3 different fields of science. It can be proven with all do respect if you just dedicate a bit of time to listen to people. There are those LIKE YOU who have dedicated YEARS to studying and specializing and these fields and you equate them to friggin no life evangelists? ANYONE can point towards a bible and take offerings and many con artists do, however you fail to realize that not everyone can operate on a human heart and only fools go into a thing they dont understand with an opinion.

I'll refer you to a video series if you even give a fuck about paying attention to it. You can be your own judge and jury but for pete sake just look it's not impossible to understand.

To start you off we'll begin with an hour long documentary on viruses. (and their evolution)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7TAGf4lOXA&feature=related

However, even if you don't give two shits about this crap you need to know that evolution is not only important for humans to know IT IS THE BASIS OF ALL SCIENCE NOW. Due to this building block mankind has made MONUMENTAL leaps in medicine and understanding. I shudder to think on where the world would be without its discovery and how many people do not know that importance of it all.

As I always tell people AIDS isn't resistant to medicine however because it multiplies and it's copies mutates the generation the vaccine is made for dies off but the mutated generations remain... and it'll keep mutating until it kills its host inside the immune system. Mankind itself thanks to the understanding of evolution and genetics has done so much that you  couldn't hope to understand. These people aren't just making shit up they've observed the god damn genome and compared it. I'll never understand how someone could think they'll know more than a specialist... trying to teach a french native french with only a vocabulary of 3 words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_medicine

[ForeverZer0]

I will try again.

Bullocks. If you would have spent the time to read what I else I said, I never denied that species can evolve. I just don't believe in the the theory of the origins of life, which have never been proven.

Origins of life is what I tend to disagree with, because if you keep following it to its end, there is not one logical explanation, other than "Uhhhhhh...."

Take this principal and lets reduce it down: Life sprang from inorganic matter.

Ok. I'll follow....

Question: Where did the inorganic matter come from?
Answer: It was formed after eons of matter floating around in space, which slowly collected to form, stars, planets, and galaxies.

Seems a bit of a stretch, but okay.

Question: Where did this matter that floats in space come from?
Answer: The Big Bang, naturally

Question: What was the Big Bang?
Answer: (Short Form)A bunch of sub-atomic particles collided, there was a great burst of energy, blah, blah, blah.

Hmmm.

Question: Where did the sub-atomic particles come from. Since they have energy, scientific law, not theory, dictates that they also had mass.
Answer: Uhhhhh....

I have yet to hear an actual answer to this question that even comes close to making sense. Normally it is completely avoided, as I am sure it will be here as it was earlier, or there is a theory that defies all the laws that they use to try and prove the rest with. In the end, there is one very giant hole in the theory that is totally ignored. Why? Because then there is no logical answer, and we wouldn't want that.

[RoseSkye]

Question: Where did the inorganic matter come from?

THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION THAT IS ABIOGENESIS

Question: Where did this matter that floats in space come from?
Answer: The Big Bang, naturally

THAT IS BLOODY COSMOLOGY!

Question: What was the Big Bang?
Answer: (Short Form)A bunch of sub-atomic particles collided, there was a great burst of energy, blah, blah, blah.

COSMOLOGY!!!!!!!

Hmmm.
Question: Where did the sub-atomic particles come from. Since they have energy, scientific law, not theory, dictates that they also had mass.
Answer: Uhhhhh....

Nothing you've said is even in the same ballpark as evolution. You said EVOLUTION cant be proven, but you tend to be fine with evolution and disagree with abiogenesis and cosmology which is not so bad. I mean aside from the universe still expanding and the study of the billions of stars and blackholes/super massive blackholes (which countless are in our galaxy really close to us) it isn't as important to mankind (well its still important seeing as there is a fucking dormant supermassive black hole near us that can remember its a fucking super massive black hole and fuck our shit up any time it wants.)

Evolution however is the be all end all important bit of knowledge which drives the advancement of medicine and the understanding of the world.

Cosmology has given us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCADH3x56eE

[Vell]

Black holes can go dormant?