New president of the USA!

[Diokatsu]

Bush got 17% approval rating. Lowest in presidential history.
(Is he dumb nao?)



Btw, anyone know where Bush is?

That has nothing to do with intelligence...

And he's still president

[Starrodkirby86]

Bush got 17% approval rating. Lowest in presidential history.
(Is he dumb nao?)



Btw, anyone know where Bush is?

That has nothing to do with intelligence...

And he's still president

Yeah, but it has something to do with problem-solving! That's a form of intelligence!

He should still be in the White House or traveling around to parties and whatever. After the presidency, I think he said he's going to Dallas or Texas...Someone be a stalker, quick!

[winkio]

Yes, Bush is still president, but nobody really cares.  I mean seriously, has he even gotten his face onto the news in the past week?

In my opinion, 17% approval doesn't have to mean that you are dumb.  You could also be self-centered, ignorant, an egotist, or pure evil.  
In my opinion tho, Bush relates more to the average American, hence why he got elected.  
Oh, and about his education.  He went to Yale, failed many courses, and barely got through.  Yeah, somehow, I don't think he very smart.  But Dio is right: since when has intelligence mattered?  Although there were many intelligent presidents, there were also great ones that weren't as much.  Washington, Lincoln, and many others.  So in the end, I don't think intelligence matters.  kind of like what blizz said, It's how you make decisions.  Bush has proven to have made some very bad ones, in my opinion and in most Americans' opinions, I think even on the global scale.

I do, however, think that intelligence helps good decision making.


Besides, who can call any other politician dumb after we've seen some prominent other candidates like, oh, idk, Sarah Palin?

[Diokatsu]

Yeah, but it has something to do with problem-solving! That's a form of intelligence!

He should still be in the White House or traveling around to parties and whatever. After the presidency, I think he said he's going to Dallas or Texas...Someone be a stalker, quick!

Pick me!

I hope he doesn't die from some's doing. That would disgrace the American way of the succession of power

Also Winkio....Don't make a post like that unless you want to stir controversy

[winkio]

Are you kidding?  I don''t think anyone would kill Bush now, what with his exit on the horizon.  The time would definitely have been during the economy crash, but since he's still safe, I think he'll be fine.

And yes, my last post had many opinions on it, but they were opinions on the topic, not opinions on other people's opinions.  See?

I think that the past 8 years haven't really been Bush's fault.  I think that the Republican party got in control, and then just unloaded everything they could to try and maintain the country using their philosophy.  I doubt Bush would intentionally ruin the economy, but it was just a side effect of his party's ideas.
Then, they party reformed ever so slightly while McCain campaigned.
Now, I think that they will have to make a real reform since they were defeated so badly.

[Blizzard]

It's true. Many decisions are made by the congress after all. Looks to me like Bush was rather a sacrifice lamb. This is also why I would say that his intellect isn't too high since he let them do that to him. :/
Also, if somebody would kill Bush, he would become a martyr which is ironic. Most people would love to kill him to get rid of him, but instead they would make him a half-legend.

[Punn]

Approval Rating means the percentage of American thinks how good the president did their job.
I never said anything about intelligence... other then his method as a president aren't good.. o.O;;

[Diokatsu]

You asked if he was dumb now, after mentioning that he got the lowest approval ratings. That sound like you were saying he's dumb because of those ratings. Maybe a misunderstnading.

And the topic is on Obama, winkio. you must've ment the digression on the topic xD

Yes, I too think Geoge Bush has been the scapegoat throughout all of this. Not his fault seeing as he can't have really /caused/ the econmic crisis, like people blame him for. Adn many smart people still can be manipulated. A lack of willpower is more like it.

Andyways...This topic is kinda done, unless someone wants to start talking about the government xD Or if someone else wants to throw their opinion in here

[Shadonking]

i agree that bush didnt make the econmic crisis (that was the banks fault) he just started a war that doesnt look legal then draged us into it making us lose lots of people, then he was ignoring the facts of the environment which is a stupid thing to do. at least now amarica will be careful with the power they use and its effects on the enviroment (i hope).

[Punn]

Bush was raped!?

[Reygekan]

Because, of course, the approval of the public has always been a good thing. Let's think back to the good times of slavery, religious persecution, and homocide.

[winkio]

Yes, popular opinion isn't always right.  But then again, the US is run by popular opinion so it has to have some worth.  Saying popular opinion doesn't mean too much is like saying that who voters vote for doesn't mean that much.

Anyways, I think that nothing, absolutely nothing, of political character will get any media in the next two months except what Obama does.  Then, when he is president, the media will still be all over him like vultures.  Should we even care how Bush finishes his term?  Because I think that many of us don't

And Punn, what the f**k do you think you are doing?  Seriously...

[Reives]

Since people are still not understanding this, let me outline the differences between discussions and arguments.  No, nobody did anything drastically wrong, but I think some people want clarification.

Wrong. Argument is a more heated discussion if not even more than that. And it's a discussion about what the new president will/should do, not about why he won or shouldn't have won or whatever which would most probably turn into a debate which is between discussion and argument. Flaming would be an argument that got way out of control even though an argument is already an out-of-control debate.

Hold ye horses!

I was merely attempting to make a joke-remark about how easy it is for any talk about politics to get out of control, and evidently failed. My apologies on the unclarity, I should've made certain parts italic and certain others bold like this:

How can you have a political thread and allow "discussion" yet at the same time disallow "argument"? They're practically the same thing, unless by argument it means "flaming". [-bold-][-/bold]

My bad.


Did anyone watch his first press conference yesterday?

[Ryex]

Well despite the fact that I think that this topic was a VERY bad idea (as as it has proven topics like this CAN'T stay on topic) I'll give My opinion of Obama

Good

• Good Ideas for things like taxes.
  However - McCain would of given my family a bigger tax bake than Obama (fact not opinion)
  
• knows how to listen to the public
  
• GREAT speaker
  
• almost INCREDIBLE ethos
  
• will most likely be goo for relations with other countries
  

Bad

• knows squat about most of of the countries physical systems (electricity and the like)
  
• almost no experience
  
• he had better choose some dam good advisers or he is going to fail miserably (opinion)
  
• if he pulls US troops out in the manner he has suggested he is going to the region will be come very unstable he needs to listen to the General in that area
  
• dose not have a good track record for the things he is proposing.
  

there you have it what I think of Obama enjoy

most of this dose not matter now that he has been elected but do what you will with is.

[Blizzard]

Yeah, things got a bit out of control and it went offtopic. >.<

Since people are still not understanding this, let me outline the differences between discussions and arguments.  No, nobody did anything drastically wrong, but I think some people want clarification.

Wrong. Argument is a more heated discussion if not even more than that. And it's a discussion about what the new president will/should do, not about why he won or shouldn't have won or whatever which would most probably turn into a debate which is between discussion and argument. Flaming would be an argument that got way out of control even though an argument is already an out-of-control debate.

Hold ye horses!

I was merely attempting to make a joke-remark about how easy it is for any talk about politics to get out of control, and evidently failed. My apologies on the unclarity, I should've made certain parts italic and certain others bold like this:

Apology taken. xD Yeah, I guess I misunderstood what you wanted to say. It's true, things can easily get out of control when politics are involved.

[winkio]

While McCain would have helped a few families, Obama will help 95% of them.  In my opinion, I think that those 95% need it more than those other 5%.

And yes, I agree Iraq and such could become a sticky situation if we make more mistakes by pulling out stupidly.  But I doubt that Obama will just do whatever he wants without getting the advice of experts.  At a press conference a few days ago, he talked with I think it was 15 of the most respected financial experts.  I doubt he will ignore the experts on the war.

On the topic of experience, I think that some amount of experience is good for politicians.  But I don't think that any amount of experience can really prepare them for being president (except presidential experience, of course).

The other thing I like about Obama is his character.  First, has no chance of dying in office except for assassination, unlike McCain.  Second, he is always tactful in his arguments, which I think will help with foreign policy and perhaps negotiations in Iraq.  Third, he is all about change and hope, which are uplifting ideas for the US at the moment.  He is not about fear or control, but belief and respect.

[Ryex]

no chance of dying in office except for assassination, unlike McCain. 

I'v always hated this argument about voting for Obama, I mean seriously McCain is NOT going to die THAT soon.

Second, he is always tactful in his arguments, which I think will help with foreign policy and perhaps negotiations in Iraq.  Third, he is all about change and hope, which are uplifting ideas for the US at the moment.  He is not about fear or control, but belief and respect.

This is why I listed Good for relations in the Good category

[Diokatsu]

ITT: Obama-lover -.-

Seriously...Obama is not getting my damn support until he does something! How about we not even talk about how much better Obama his, it's just sooooo apparent and he's just sooooo amazing. Really now, you give evidence and then make an assumption on an entirely different issue. Character has nothing to do with dying in office, which McCain would not do. Prove me wrong and I'll concede, but everyone who says this is just assuming old people have to die. He's healthy and strong-willed, so I'm sure he's going to live a bit long than all of you expect -.- McCain just doesn't have the presentation that Obama does, and his foreign experiences outclass Obamas 10 to 1. McCain and the Republican Party are NOT about fear and control. Absurd post is absurd. AND, Obama doesn't pass laws, he just vetos them.

Obama is a fine person and will prolly be an amazing president and go down in history and all that. You won the election, just let a man who served our country live out his life in peace, instead of taking shots at his policies after he lost. Seriously you act like everyone of the kids at my school who supports Obama. Always giving so much more than he deserves. If he turns out great, he will, if he fails, he will.

BTW: I'm not Republican..Socialist here

[winkio]

Why are you two getting so upset?  There's no reason to be one bit frustrated.  You need to respect everyone else's opinions like they respect yours.

You both have just proven to me that you can't actually handle this form of communication, so I guess I was wrong to think that the people here could interact with each other with a bit of maturity.  You two obviously either haven't listened or have not understood what I have said, and either way, it's too much.  I'm sorry for opening up this wargrounds, and I definitely won't do it again.  I'll report it now.


To those of you who did handle this situation:  Good job, but I don't think that there is any way that we can keep it to just a discussions with so many people of varying personalities.  Thank you, and I'm sorry.