*Ahem*
Quote"Once again, I like Rock because it's my style. Hip-hop/rap are okay too, but I personally don't see them as true music (yes, they are music, but its kind of basic in most cases, unlike Classical/Country/Rock/etc, which usually are much more complex). Lyrics aren't that important to a genre -- some Rock/Pop songs make the worst of Hip Hop look godly."
No matter how much I read this statement which started the debate I can not see anything even hinting at Sine waves.
Quote"Classical: True music
Country: Idiot lyrics, but they're good at the guitar at least
Rock: It depends, but usually very good at both the instruments and lyrics
I was grouping together the genres that have complex music."
Once again.. nothing hinting at sine waves..
Quote"Okay, LAST TIME, the music, not the genre. The complexity of the sine waves and the picture they form. Nothing else, just how mathematically, rhythmically, and interestingly complex each genre is on average. I'm okay with you supporting rap and I understand that all music is, in a sense, complex, but that's not what I'm talking about. Please move your debate from me to someone who actually disagrees. And, if I were a mod, this would already be SPAM'd or Debate'd *hint*"
Only when you were on your last leg had you added that.. as if you had reiterated something I had ignored.
Now if you want to debate Sine waves. I shall applaud you. With this only does your argument stand any ground.. (be it not sturdy, and barren of any fruit)
This wave pattern occurs often in nature, including ocean waves, sound waves, and light waves. Also, a rough sinusoidal pattern can be seen in plotting average daily temperatures for each day of the year, although the graph may resemble an inverted cosine wave.
Graphing the voltage of an alternating current gives a sine wave pattern. In fact, graphing the voltage of direct current full-wave rectification system gives an absolute value sine wave pattern, where the wave stays on the positive side of the x-axis.
The human ear can recognize single sine waves because sounds with such a waveform sound "clean" or "clear" to humans; some sounds that approximate a pure sine wave are whistling, a crystal glass set to vibrate by running a wet finger around its rim, and the sound made by a tuning fork.
References Dragonforce or Hendrix.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmU2R9lTivYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyV-VeCJmVUYet you're relying on spoken word rap.. and that isn't fair as as you're comparing one sub genre to combat another sub genre.
Now if I focused on a genre of a hip hop that can stand on equal footing in sine wave complexity with Instrumental Rock. Your argument would be debunked.. which I will.
Lets say um... table turners
DJing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXmfleawFHMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPasebVMIW4Now.. in terms of complexity they are more equal contenders with a different style of music.
EDIT:
Blah.. I'm too sick read a friggin essay to prove a point (that wasn't presented at first).
He may have me when it comes to sine waves. Well.. we'll see. This should be outlawed.. changing points in debating is very dishonorable.
Shit I was wrong.. I admit defeat for the moment. Even recorded human speech isn't a sinewave.. unless converted.
Pisses me off that you would go so low as to insert something that wasn't originally implied... whatever.
You may have a point with complexity of sine waves .. but I can easily point toward several things that can topple that.
You know.. a simple whistle in a song can produce a sinewave. I am very angry that you made me listen to this shit just to prove a point.
The Whistle Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfPKqoFo1dY&feature=related2 Short - Blow my whistle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUVfDvIP2EQ&feature=relatedAlso applying guitars to rap.
Party Like a RockStar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMgxgPN2LY4Linkin Park - High Voltage (Also.. LP applies record scratching to their rap.. which gives them an advantage over rock)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRmyPVqIyBQ&feature=PlayList&p=1D673CA801DC55C8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=11D-12 - Fight Music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II6ZZ_nhGCA&feature=PlayList&p=1D673CA801DC55C8&index=14I could post others .. but I'm done. If you have any other arguments present them.