[CONTAINS SPOILERS OF CODE GEASS] Why the ending is actually good

Started by GAX, May 23, 2009, 07:13:16 pm

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GAX

Okay...time for a very late little rant but in truth, it was sparked recently.
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Now...as those who have seen the ENTIRE series know, Lelouch dies at the ending of the series as part of his master plan.

Here's what pisses me off though:  people don't seem to want to accept this death, most of these people being stupid fucking weeaboos.

Accept it people, Lelouch is dead and he isn't coming back.  Now, I've heard some good arguments in regards to how he can be alive still, but I'd like to explain something to you in regards to quality of an anime vs. how long it's been running.

When you run a single version of a series for more that about 50 episodes, you run a very large risk of becoming stale.  The main series of Code Geass ran for two seasons of 50 episodes each.  Now, if Lelouch LIVED at the end of the series, this would obviously give room for a new series to follow up...therein lies the problem.  See, if you run a series like that too long, it soon becomes stale and thus the series suffers, rots, and dies (see Inuyasha, Naruto, etc.).

A very well thought out argument I heard actually follows the nature of Geass and Codes.  According to a video I found on youtube, the person argues that Lelouch has effectively become immortal.  Allow me to explain the fault in this logic.  Firstly, as from my own watching of the series, a Code can only be passed down to by the giver to one they gave Geass too, and they must have maintained their sanity upon reaching End of Geass (According to C.C.).  Also, for the Code to be passed down, the giver must experience bodily death.  Until the giver dies (which occurs within minutes of passing on the code, obviously by a form of ritualistic suicide as evidenced by the stab wounds in both the nun AND V.V.), the passed on code will be inactive.  Some may think that the one who recieved the code must die, but this is in truth another false.  The nun and Charles were more than likely testing if the passing of the code worked (as the none probably stabbed C.C. before she died as well).  Some may also think that when Lelouch killed Charles and Marianne, that he had taken Charles' code.  This is HIGHLY unlikely as Charles wasn't killed in a way like the others before him, his death was actually more of an erasure from existence.

Sorry, but people need to come to face the truth, Lelouch is dead and you can't do anything about it aside from writing fanfics.

If that isn't enough of a nail in the coffin for you guys, writer Ichirō Ōkouchi has explained the situation of Lelouch's death and Lelouch's name is in the official NewType magazine Death List for the series.  If you want to check out a spin off where he may have a chance of living, you've got two available:  Suzaku of the Counterattack and Nightmare of Nunally.  Don't expect a director's cut or the manga to have a different ending at all either.  If you're one of those crybabies who still wishes for Lelouch to live, then here's the best edit of the final ending I've seen to sate your lack of tastes rather than let a good ending stay good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_jRCftsWnA&feature=related

And here's the official NewType death list for you guys, though it's in japanese



Alright, let's here your takes now.

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Kagutsuchi

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I know Lelouch is dead, but it is still sad, I feel pity for C.C... she is still immortal. While Lelouch's masterplan went pretty well, C.C.'s masterplan went straight down the drain.

GAX

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I guess it's the whole "Tragic Death" thing that has to take place, but C.C. may either finally find a way to pass on OR she may have found her peace in her immortality.  Sadly I don't think she can communicate with the dead any longer either seeing how Charles did so (talking to Clovis) via the Sword of Akasha, which no longer exists thanks to Lelouch and the collective human subconcious...is it just me or did that whole plotline sound a LOT like Evangelion?

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Kagutsuchi

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Quote from: Badou Nails on May 24, 2009, 04:48:58 am
I guess it's the whole "Tragic Death" thing that has to take place, but C.C. may either finally find a way to pass on OR she may have found her peace in her immortality.  Sadly I don't think she can communicate with the dead any longer either seeing how Charles did so (talking to Clovis) via the Sword of Akasha, which no longer exists thanks to Lelouch and the collective human subconcious...is it just me or did that whole plotline sound a LOT like Evangelion?

You have already mentioned the only way C.C. can die in the first post.. and I don't think anyone could find peace in immortality. At least now of all times, when she once again have lost everyone close to her. C.C. could never communicate with the dead. It was only some kind of special bond between Marianne and C.C. thanks to Marianne's geass which allowed that.

I feel like the ending would have been good if C.C. had died and Lelouch had become immortal. But this is just sad.

Yeah it is a bit like Evangelion.. but the plot in Eva was kind of good.. the only thing that sucked was the high consentration of emo-ness.

Blizzard

Now something less of a spoiler. What's the anime actually about? How epic is it? And how -girlish- is it (in % please so I can decide not to watch it if it goes over some specific percentage liik 5% or 6%)? *doesn't read the thread because of spoilers in case he decides to watch it*
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Kagutsuchi

Code Geass Season 1 won an award for being the best anime of 2007. It is not very girly at all imo. If we compare it to, lets say Sailor Moon, I would say Code Geass has a 0.1-1% girly factor lol.
Explaining the plot of Code Geass is gonna take a heck of alot of time, because it is very complicated. But it is a very good anime. You should at least watch episode 1, and probably 2 of it. If you like what you see in episode 1, then you are going to like the anime.

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In the year 2010 a.t.b. (a.t.b. starts 55 years after the BC), the Holy Empire of Britannia invaded Japan. The small island nation had no chance against Britannia, which was the world's last remaining super power. Despoite its lack of natural resources, the nation of Japan had adopted a stance of nationalistic isolation. In order to take the mainland, the Britannian forces mobilized the first of the Knightmare Frames; a new kind of humanoid powered armor. Their abilities exceeded the expectations, and the Japanese defenses fell one after another before the might of the Knightmare Frames. Japan became a territory of the Empire, and was stripped of its freedom, rights, and even its name. Area 11. That designation was the new name given to the defeated Japan.


All of this is explained in the first 1 minute and 30 seconds of the first episode.

Blizzard

Sounds good. I might put it on my list.

Also, Sailor Moon loses The Game by being 120% girly. No, 121%.
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Kagutsuchi

Quote from: UltaFlame on May 24, 2009, 10:07:44 am
SCREW ANIME. Manga is always better.

Not in the case of Code Geass.. the manga(s) sucks monkey balls.

GAX

Quote from: Kagutsuchi on May 24, 2009, 10:16:10 am
Quote from: UltaFlame on May 24, 2009, 10:07:44 am
SCREW ANIME. Manga is always better.

Not in the case of Code Geass.. the manga(s) sucks monkey balls.


Yeah, I prefer the anime version.  The manga version doesn't have any Knightmare Frames...that and the whole story is pretty much raped.

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Quote from: UltaFlame on May 24, 2009, 10:07:44 am
SCREW ANIME. Manga is always better.

Fallicious argument is full of holes.

Screw the ending. Who cares? They're all fake!!!!! :V:

I'm not going to spoiler this because you already put the warning in the title.
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The ending was ok. LeDouche dies because he fufilled his purpose, which is archetypal of death. C.C. has no purpose therefore must not die. The only thing the series missed out on was sex. You and I both know it happened, but why can't I see it? I'll tell you: television. It's for whimps.


Kagutsuchi

Quote from: Badou Nails on May 24, 2009, 08:20:12 pm
Quote from: Kagutsuchi on May 24, 2009, 10:16:10 am
Quote from: UltaFlame on May 24, 2009, 10:07:44 am
SCREW ANIME. Manga is always better.

Not in the case of Code Geass.. the manga(s) sucks monkey balls.


Yeah, I prefer the anime version.  The manga version doesn't have any Knightmare Frames...that and the whole story is pretty much raped.

Knightmare of Nuannaly have knightmares.. (obv..)

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I should really finish this series.
I have the first season torrented, but the subs started to be terrible (the font and etc..) so I stopped watching.


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GAX

All my subs for Season 2 came from Eclipse.  They're pretty well done.

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legacyblade

Just watched the ending, and ZOMG it was amazing. True, the main char died in the end, but I like when that happens. I enjoy that there is NO loose ends for a new season, so that I can have read the end. I want there to be more, but I am glad it ended. Zero (can't spell his real name) had a great character ark, and I thought Suzaku was a great character. BTW, anyone notice that he has the same voice as Emil, Ratatosk, and Aster from Tales of Symphonia 2?

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It's amazing, blizz. I'd given up on anime, and refused to watch it. However, my roommate was watching one episode, and it was just so awesome that I decided to watch the series. I watched the first season in two days, I liked it that much.

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Some may also think that when Lelouch killed Charles and Marianne, that he had taken Charles' code.  This is HIGHLY unlikely as Charles wasn't killed in a way like the others before him, his death was actually more of an erasure from existence.


That's obviously not the case, since once you become an immortal, you can no longer use your Geass. It violate one of the base rules that was demonstrated throughout the series if Lelouch was immortal while keeping his Geass power. The only time he could have plausibly become immortal would have been just before the ceremony in the last episode where he was killed. He could have granted C.C.'s wish, and killed her to become immortal. But since she was still alive, he's obviously NOT an immortal. Just my two cents. The series is over, let it stay that way.

shdwlink1993

I recently got into Code Geass (like a few weeks ago). Blizz, watch it. That's all I can say. It's amazing. And makes me think of Artemis Fowl for some reason, but that's besides the point.

My main question... oh, sorry.

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My main question is why would people think that he's not dead? He got freaking stabbed by his best friend, and the creator confirmed that he is dead. Not much to misunderstand.


Quote from: Badou Nails on May 23, 2009, 07:13:16 pm
The main series of Code Geass ran for two seasons of 50 episodes each.

GAX, it ran for 50 episodes combined, not per season.

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Quote from: UltaFlame on May 24, 2009, 10:07:44 am
SCREW ANIME. Manga is always better.

Fallicious argument is full of holes.

My head's been in the gutter a lot lately. I automatically took this the wrong way. And that's kinda hard to do. Now my head's full of argument porn. Help.
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