'Relationships', and the maturity of people as a whole

[Seox]

Hiya.

*Emo moment, sorta*

I'm 16, and am a mixin (whee, ruby reference!) of class Person and Modules -

Yeah. Ok. I'm not exactly a complete nerd- I'm 6 feet even, 170 lbs, and athletic, but I'm also learning ruby, made a 30 on my ACT, first shot, and have a tested IQ of 129. I make it a point to be polite whenever I can. Point being, I'm not really your stereotype for either. I've never had a 'girlfriend', but I LOATHE to even THINK of high school 'relationships' as relationships. From what I can tell, people are by NO MEANS mature enough to REALLY AND TRULY CARE about each other - they THINK that they do. EVERY 'couple' will tell you this. Their actions say otherwise, and this is the only comfort that I have been able to offer myself: everyone says that people in college are/will be more mature. However, I find that hard to believe, having seen the shallow side of America...errr.... humanity time and again. I'm not really ALL CONSUMED by it, but I WOULD like to know - although partying and stuff exist in college as well, what are people, and, more specifically, girls like as far as maturity and interest in RELATIONSHIPS, and not the hypocrisy, falsehoods, superfluity, inhumanity, and facade-filled goodness that, for the most part, are high-school relationships popularity contests.

Yeah, I'm cheesy. And if I get ONE reply that's like 'You need to be an ***hole, and go blahblah
"ASSIMILATE TO THE MASSES!"

Then you die. Seriously. 5.7 x 28 mm salvo, coming your way.


And I know that all that "true love" crap is, just that - a load of crap.

So, I suppose that that's where the 'intelligent debate' part comes in - what is the intelligent side to relationships, and how, in your opinions and experience, does maturity and interest in ACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS change through age groups throughout life? Why? Feel free to discuss these and any other questions which you feel like adding to the mix. I'd love to have answers to these, for once...

I think that it can be VERY relevant, as, for the most part, I find that human relationships, and one's search/thoughts for them or interactions with them reflects on core traits common to ALL people. For instance - one of the most significant factors, when it comes to people, is their sense of significance - everyone wants/tries to feel important/wanted/valuable. Point being, you can learn a lot about relationships, but, overall - people.

This has been puzzling me for quite some time....thank you for any help, whatsoever.

^_^

Seox out.

[Calintz]

Hmm ...

The very first thing I want to say is that "true love" DOES exist, but not how it has been portrayed in the media, which is most likely where your idea of true love lies. I have an amazing relationship with an amazing girl, and should things continue to head in a positive direction like they have been for the past 8months; I can see myself marrying this girl in the future.

I often think to myself whether or not I would be happy waking up beside her every morning, and will I be just as happy holding her in my arms every night as I lay down to sleep. When you can ask yourself questions like this and your honest answer is yes, then you have a good relationship.

This girl makes me laugh, cry, yell, smile, explode, and break down, all at the same time. When you find somebody who can toss you ... DIVE-BOMB you 90mph through every emotion a human is capable of feeling, and you still find it in your heart to love them and want the responsibility of protecting them from anything that could cause them harm, you have found true love Seox.

It sure as hell isn't the same as in the movies, but the closest portrayal of true love in any movie that I have seen so far, would have to be Jack and Rose from the Titanic. In the same sense though, I would have to disagree that a love like that happens over night like it did in that movie.

I would gladly give my last breathe to see Sarah live, and it's when you feel that way about somebody else that you know you love them. You can never be sure of their exact feelings for you though, so it becomes your responsibility to have faith in them, and hope with everything that you have that they feel the same way.

Should you find a person like that, then you've found true love.

It all breaks down to your definition of true love, which in turn, breaks down to your origins and how you were raised.

I'm 19years old, 5ft 9in, and weigh 150lbs and have an athletic figure also. I'm a virgin and I'm not scared to admit it either. Let things come at their own pace, it's what it's there for ...

I agree with your ideal of high-school relationships though. I don't feel that people at this stage in their lives are mature enough to have a solid relationship. Your body is constantly changing along with your beliefs as you continue to grow through your years in high school.

I find that girls are more immature than guys (personal belief) simply by their behavior and sheer attitude towards damn near everything. They often draw quick assumptions, and hold grudges for extended periods of time, even if you apologize numerous times and mean it. They seem to be more stubborn, and won't settle for losing in a conversation even if it means reliving past experiences.

These are proof of their immaturity and inability to handle and resolve disputes. A lot of girls here at the forum will disagree with me, but most guys will probably agree with me. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, because I believe it helps us as men to realize that woman are sensitive, and you have to be careful with them.

They're kinda like a flower; elegant, but fragile.
It doesn't take much to hurt them, but let them blossom and see what happens.

[Seox]

Wow.

Ok, firstly, I was a little afraid to see what responses I would get, but thank you.

Not only have you expanded my views, but I also respect you even more than I did before. Your definition of true love is EXACTLY what I believe and hope for. What I meant by 'true love' is EXACTLY what the media portrays - you have it down EXACTLY. Everyone is raised on disney movies - THAT kind of 'true love' is the biggest crock of....

erm.

yeah.

I'm constantly striving to perfect a foundation, financially, emotionally, mentally, socially, etc, because I want to have a family. Not a group of people who came about because I don't care who I THROW my genitals at. A family. That's right. You know, one of those seven or eight in ALL OF AMERICA (Ok, maybe there are a LITTLE more....). It can be VERY discouraging, when I'm looking for so many things in such a deep person, and all I see is the crap that lies around me.

I'm 19years old, 5ft 9in, and weigh 150lbs and have an athletic figure also. I'm a virgin and I'm not scared to admit it either. Let things come at their own pace, it's what it's there for ...

As am I, and I have NO regrets, and don't feel bad about it in the SLIGHTEST. I'm not the sterotyped high-school dork who just wants to 'get some'. I want a relationship. The real thing. So that's not the issue. If someone special exists out there, who could actually CARE, then I KNOW that she'd attribute more value to it than ANYONE else EVER would. Point being, I owe it to her NOT to whore myself - not to mention the fact that I just couldn't do it. I can't explain it. It's not like me to randomly....you know. I have STANDARDS. XD.

I completely agree with you, there.

The fact that we appear to be synonymous at most points really does make me think that there HAS to be someone out there with similar beliefs who is female. HAS to. And that gives me hope.

*powers up*

[Calintz]

Lol, isn't it weird!?
I just gained a lot of respect for you too, because we are so similar!!

Through my entire 19years of being alive, I have only found one person that resembles you and I, and that is my best friend Robert Fitch. He is in Delaware with the Airforce, and I am gonna go visit him soon =D.

We are a little too excited about this though XD.

What I really wanna say is that not everybody is raised on Disney movies, though, and it's sad though. I was raised on Disney movies, but I owe a lot to them for shaping me views on love, courage, and responsibility. It seems to me that people who were raised watching Disney movies are the kind of people who grew up in a loving environment.

THAT is the important thing. Too many people are NOT raised with a certain kind of love. The parents are so young when they get pregnant, that they really aren't seasoned enough to raise a child. I'm not calling them bad parents, but the children of these people are forced to grow up without parents who have extensive life knowledge of the world, and that leaves them at a disadvantage in my mind (personal belief).

That is why I never take my life for granted. My mother raised me on Disney and taught me the meaning of love. I am a kind-hearted person who fights for what I believe in. I thought I was about to go through depression at different times in my high school years, because I felt unloved, because I couldn't understand why so many people just whored themselves around as you said, and they only talked and acted like that was the best anyone could get!!

I often thought to myself, what the hell is wrong with you people!? Then I realized, it's not my scene. They are not my crowd, and I was forced to rise above it. I met Robert Fitch, and joined the cross-country team. His mother Debbie raised him very similar to the way I was raised, and so we became best friends quicker than I could have ever imagined. We share the same beliefs towards damn near everything, as it's apparent you and I do as well.

My only advice is to do that. Rise above it, and stay away from it. Fight to keep yourself from changing. Gain peace with who you are, and don't let people influence you or bring you down.

I waited 19years to find somebody I could tell them that I love them without having regret, and she's finally come into my life. Just keep looking Seox. There is someone for everyone.

*LVL up*
Disney movies!!

[Diokatsu]

Why don't you two just slap your dicks together and call it love? I honestly can't contribute to this thread because, for one, I don't care and two, anything I might have said has been either incorporated into your wall of text or doesn't need to be said.

Also, new stereotype: people who are both athletic and smart. I've seen too many of them now. Let's go back to the times where people were one one thing!

[Calintz]

Because I'm not a homosexual.
I'm sorry that you can't appreciate the thought of male bonding Dio.

I'm glad you said that though Dio , because that was another thing I couldn't stand during high school. People who act as though two guys can't show sensitivity and talk about serious subjects and lay their hearts out on the line. IDC if people attempt to bring me down because I'm a sensitive, but the friends I have are golden because I'm honest with them, and I couldn't ask for better ones, especially B (Robert).

[Seox]

Because I'm not a homosexual.
I'm sorry that you can't appreciate the thought of male bonding Dio.

I'm glad you said that though Dio , because that was another thing I couldn't stand during high school. People who act as though two guys can't show sensitivity and talk about serious subjects and lay their hearts out on the line. IDC if people attempt to bring me down because I'm a sensitive, but the friends I have are golden because I'm honest with them, and I couldn't ask for better ones, especially B (Robert).

^_^

THAT is the important thing. Too many people are NOT raised with a certain kind of love. The parents are so young when they get pregnant, that they really aren't seasoned enough to raise a child. I'm not calling them bad parents, but the children of these people are forced to grow up without parents who have extensive life knowledge of the world, and that leaves them at a disadvantage in my mind (personal belief).

I live with my grandparents. As a matter of fact, I have a visit with my 'parents' through DHR tonight. I am probably a pretty good example of that, and that's why it's SO important to me. A lot of people are all, "Well, how do you think you know love?"

The way I see it, if I've been through my life and seen the failure that is my "family". I've seen their excuse for a marriage. And pretty much EVERY OTHER PERSON IN AMERICA. (Not all. Most.) I've been through hell and back. And what that means is that I can tell you what love isn't. I figure that everything else is.(OMG UNDERLINED AND NOT CAPITALIZED!)

I thought I was about to go through depression at different times in my high school years, because I felt unloved, because I couldn't understand why so many people just whored themselves around as you said, and they only talked and acted like that was the best anyone could get!!

That is probably the most reassuring thing of all - you thought the EXACT SAME THING, and you've still proven that, somewhere, love exists.


XD, DISNEY MOVIEEEEEEES!

E's.

Really though, thank you for showing me that there's hope. Simple as it is, that's all that it takes sometimes.

[Vell]

this is more a chat then a debate.

there is a problem. Calintz found someone who requited his love. what if you find someone, and they dont? Can you honestly say that after having thought about it, and telling yourself that that is the person for you, that you want to spend your life with, that to then have it blatantly denied, and then subsequently ignored, would you be able to not doubt yourself in the future?

[Seox]

this is more a chat then a debate.

there is a problem. Calintz found someone who requited his love. what if you find someone, and they dont? Can you honestly say that after having thought about it, and telling yourself that that is the person for you, that you want to spend your life with, that to then have it blatantly denied, and then subsequently ignored, would you be able to not doubt yourself in the future?

All too true.

Still, I suppose that that's just part of it. I could always just give up there, but that gets me nowhere. Obviously that could hurt like hell - I'm not claiming that I'm emotionally invincible.

Of course, I would think that in order to get THAT CLOSE to someone emotionally, enough so to want to spend my life with, it would HAVE to be mutual. I don't just go around, randomly thinking that about people. In that case, it's a given that that person would already love me. It's like saying, "But what if you get a cramp and drown after you get to the island?" Once you get to the island, you're already on dry land.

Doesn't mean it's impossible. What are your thoughts on it, ultraflame?

(You're right. This is becoming a chat. I figured more of the "intelligent" part of debate was most relevant, as I'm very interested in the psychology behind all of this. Why people act the way they do, and do/don't want to form some form of meaningful relationship with another person at some point.

Anyways, do tell. I'd be interested to hear a third opinion.

[Vell]

Geh. it's UltaFlame. No r. you have noob mistake points, be careful in future please.

I'm just saying. in one case I know someone just developed feelings for someone else over a period of time, and it's not even that the person told the other. in the middle of a normal conversation the second person was just like 'do you like me?' and that first person is honest, so was like 'yes' and then the second continually pointed out the lack of requittal feelings despite the fact that person 1 still was a close friend with person 2.

Even if you take a leap of faith, there are times when you'll fall short. what are you supposed to do then?

[Seox]

Geh. it's UltaFlame. No r. you have noob mistake points, be careful in future please.

I'm just saying. in one case I know someone just developed feelings for someone else over a period of time, and it's not even that the person told the other. in the middle of a normal conversation the second person was just like 'do you like me?' and that first person is honest, so was like 'yes' and then the second continually pointed out the lack of requittal feelings despite the fact that person 1 still was a close friend with person 2.

Even if you take a leap of faith, there are times when you'll fall short. what are you supposed to do then?

Gah... >< sorry. I skim things. Ultaflame. Got it ^_^

*wears noob points in shame*

I guess the key in that case is to watch what you think. Obviously, you can't just NOT CARE about people, but a "secret desire" type thing feeds itself. Because it's so "taboo", you either fall further into or out of it. If you fall out of it, then this is no longer an issue, because you're not "building a one way, mental relationship." If you fall further in, then yes, it can easily become a problem. Regardless, I don't think that I'd think "OMG WANT SPEND LIFE WITH PERSON", ravenously, until we had gotten quite close. Sure, I like some people, and am "interested" in them, but I don't want to devote my eternal soul (no, I'm not serious) to them, just because I like them. My thinking is that this (can, not always) results from insecurities. Because the person wants THAT BADLY to be loved, and does not have the mental security to be proud of themself, they subconsciously conduct transference of this want into/onto one person, who they normally like, in specific. My thinking is that, essentially, this is mainly an issue with those who are "desperate."

I used to be like that, but then I realized that a relationship is NOT a mother-son or father-daughter relationship. It's an equal exchange between two people, and burdening someone, first of all, would mean that I no longer had that someone, and, secondly, was not a relationship. If I just wanted it to feel better about myself, it's not love, and I should get some therapy or something DEDICATED to that process.

Now, here I am. Still upset and lonely, but I can support myself. Two halves (people) do NOT make one whole. Two halves make divorce. Two whole people make a NEW whole.

Just my opinion. Dunno if that sounded abrasive - please tell me if it did.

Thanks for getting us into the "debate" part!

[Blizzard]

*is done reading, phew*

Love is different for me than it is for your guys as it seems. I don't think love is a feeling. When I love somebody, I don't feel it but I know it.

Since my views are different from yours, I'm not sure how much I can constructively contribute to this topic.

[Calintz]

Sure ya can Blizzard ...

@UltaFlame:
These oppositions you bring to the table are gonna happen TO EVERYBODY at some point in their lives ... It doesn't matter who you are, or how old you are, at some point you will experience these rejections. They are a part of growing up, and experiencing relationships for what they are. These rejections are all too common in "high school."

I had 2girls actually tear me apart by leading me on for fun, and that is when I believed I would hit depression if I didn't cheer up ... I couldn't understand why girls would toy with a nice guy for fun, but IDK and I had to start over. No big deal in the end.

**All in all, I don't think many people would spend enough time with someone to allow the emotion to grow if they were just planning on rejected you in the end anyway. If you're talking about maybe having a huge crush on someone, and in the end they tell you that they're not interested in you, then you move on. Things are done. You have to be pull through. You CANNOT live in the past.

[Vell]

I see your points, and I've got nothing else to say in this. someone else play devil's advocate.

[Valcos]

Why don't you two just slap your dicks together and call it love? I honestly can't contribute to this thread because, for one, I don't care and two, anything I might have said has been either incorporated into your wall of text or doesn't need to be said.

Also, new stereotype: people who are both athletic and smart. I've seen too many of them now. Let's go back to the times where people were one one thing!

Lmao!! Dio... you're always so mean xD.

I dont think its fair to call all people in high school immature. Sure, there is a crap load of people that are... but, its not completely true. 

[Calintz]

I didn't call high school students immature ...

As people grow older they mature. It is an unexplained phenomenon. One of the brains many mysteries. You grow with the life experience. You continue to mature until the day that you pass on. The average person probably lives to be 70years old or so.

So at age 16-18 (prime high school years) how much life experience do you have?? How much time have you really spent maturing?? I'm 19years old and I realize this. It's foolish to believe that you have a grip on life when you're that young.

In the same sense, it's true that some mature faster than others (I personally believe that I do) but no matter the rate, when you are that young, you ARE immature. This is why it's hard for relationships in high school to last. Kids in high school tend to want all the attention. Your life never steadies. It isn't really until your life slows down and becomes repetitive (get a full-time job and schedule sticks) that you can truly settle down and raise a family.

There is too much conflicting going on in the brain with your body changing and all the classes, and you can't get a grip on things. Try an add the opposite gender's mood swings and shit, and it's too much to handle. You have to let this stuff settle and get by it before you can concentrate fully on the relationship itself.

[Seox]

Why don't you two just slap your dicks together and call it love? I honestly can't contribute to this thread because, for one, I don't care and two, anything I might have said has been either incorporated into your wall of text or doesn't need to be said.

Also, new stereotype: people who are both athletic and smart. I've seen too many of them now. Let's go back to the times where people were one one thing!

Lmao!! Dio... you're always so mean xD.

I dont think its fair to call all people in high school immature. Sure, there is a crap load of people that are... but, its not completely true. 

True. Still, MOST are immature. Besides, immature only means that they haven't YET matured...it's not as derogatory as it may at first seem.


@Calintz - Leading you on for fun? See, I just don't get that crap. I don't understand why someone would waste their time when they didn't want to get to know you at all. THAT's the kind of crap that makes me LAUGH in high school. It really is sad, though, because things like that can really affect people like you and me. And they don't even realize how deep it goes, because they've never considered those sides of themselves.

About not living in the past. I TOTALLY agree. Simple as that.

What about the fact that 99% of people act as if they are adult and sophisticate, (in high school) whoring themselves with anything that moves; the fact that I KNOW that most of them don't really have 'love', even though they think they do, makes me feel like I'm not so bad, but something about the fact that THE VAST MAJORITY live this lie makes it almost true.

Anyone know what I mean? Agree? Disagree?

@Ultaflame - Thank you for playing the part, there ^_^. You helped keep it interesting, and a debate, and helped me to consider things which were apparent, but not immediately so. *powers up*

@Blizz - Shoot. It's unorthodox that I'd like to see, because that's what you DON'T hear about every day. I also think that I know what you mean by not feeling it, but knowing it (love). I have a few relatives which I care about, but I don't....I don't "love" them. It's RIDICULOUSLY hard to explain. I KNOW that I care, I just don't feel it. I think that it's a defensive mechanism, owing its existence to the fact that I've had a WONDERFUL history of associating with people >.>. It worries me, though.

Thank you for all of the serious responses!

[Calintz]

You're my new best friend ... That's all I can say, Lol

[Seox]

You're my new best friend ... That's all I can say, Lol

Amen to that, XD

^_^

[Sally]

well all i can really say is that i have a BF, and i live with him, and i love him. theres not much more to say, but i am 17, will be turning 18 in a few months. but i completely agree with most of that. =]  we been going out for 3years now.

Don't get into a relationship that your gonna just end in a month or so...

[Calintz]

Is your boyfriend Kris Allen!?

[Sally]

uhhmm... no. 

[Calintz]

LMAO, then why represent him, and not your real boyfriend!?

[Sally]

cause he won american idol...

[fugibo]

High School Relationships == LOL, FAIL LOVE POETRY!

To quote Bobby Ashley (the idiot who failed 9th Grade, dropped out, and who has had his driver's license revoked upwards of ten times):
I have had a crush on you for many months now.
My love for you burns like a fire in a house of fires.

...still funny, at least to me. Also, PDA = Flail. Porn or get out of my way, plz.
Also, why do High School couples feel so attached to each other? They act like they're married or something. 0_o

@sally: I think the record deal and publicity thing is enough reward. He doesn't need crazy WoW fans switching religion over him. Also, are you a Twilight fan...?

[Calintz]

Lol ... oh okay ... LMAO

[Seox]

well all i can really say is that i have a BF, and i live with him, and i love him. theres not much more to say, but i am 17, will be turning 18 in a few months. but i completely agree with most of that. =]  we been going out for 3years now.

Don't get into a relationship that your gonna just end in a month or so...

Thank you ^_^

I've never really gotten those who just waste their time "going out." Doesn't mean you can't have casual fun with someone, but the way that most people do it is ridiculous. For one week, they are the WORLD to each other, and then it's restraining order time.

*end rant*

XD

EDIT:

High School Relationships == LOL, FAIL LOVE POETRY!

To quote Bobby Ashley (the idiot who failed 9th Grade, dropped out, and who has had his driver's license revoked upwards of ten times):
I have had a crush on you for many months now.
My love for you burns like a fire in a house of fires.

...still funny, at least to me. Also, PDA = Flail. Porn or get out of my way, plz.
Also, why do High School couples feel so attached to each other? They act like they're married or something. 0_o

@sally: I think the record deal and publicity thing is enough reward. He doesn't need crazy WoW fans switching religion over him. Also, are you a Twilight fan...?

XD. I love your posts, WcW! (No relevant pun intended.)

Yes, they DO act like they're married, which is ridiculous, considering the fact that they have ABSOLUTELY no idea what the hell life/love/ANYTHING is about. They act like they're adults, and mature ones at that!

I understand PDA IF you really do care about whoever and are doing it because the two of you want to, NOT to "look cute" around others. When it's externalized, that's when it's super special awesome phail. With a ph.

Yeah.

I have had a crush on you for many months now.
My love for you burns like a fire in a house of fires.

X.

D.

So hilarious that it managed to split my trademark XD.

O_o.

[Calintz]

I enjoyed Twilight.
Can't call myself a fan though, I didn't read the novels.

I think kids in high schools get so attached, because they just seem so eager to want to grow up so fast. Like they think it will change for the better, right away. I don't know.

[Sally]

well... err... nvm

[Calintz]

Haha, Sally ...

[Sally]

=[ im outnumbered.

[Valcos]

Dont worry I got your back!

Isnt Bobby Ashley a wrestler/mma fighter?

[Seox]

Valcos...

You have 1337 posts.

Look.

*Hides Valcos from WcW, who will probably pursue 1337 with a FLAMETHROWER.*

[fugibo]

Err... I'm okay with 1337z existance, just not its association with me. I look forward to the day I pass 1337 posts myself, actually.

[Sally]

he dosnt really have 1337 posts.. lol...

[Valcos]

Lol... owned xD

[Seox]

he dosnt really have 1337 posts.. lol...

X

D

I can't believe I didn't see that.

*stupid.*

I just saw 1337, and could not focus on ANYTHING else. The eternal glory of the infinitely familiar numbers 1-3-3-7 have an affinity all their own. They drew me in; locked me within an abyssal wonder which I could not escape.

Yeah.

You get the idea.

[Vell]

well this topic degraded swiftly. while it's on this track: Cal! have you ever thought that you might in fact be aspie?

[Valcos]

ULTA!! Dont kick it while its down.

[fugibo]

well this topic degraded swiftly. while it's on this track: Cal! have you ever thought that you might in fact be aspie?

ZOMG! LETS COVNerT  THE WORLDZ!!!

Also, relationships. I don't see much other than sex nowadays, 'tis getting old. All the "Love" stories lack nice emotions. I'll admit that I can actually be a sucker for a good romance, but only if it's good enough that I can't point and laugh at it (like all modern romances.)

[Seox]

well this topic degraded swiftly. while it's on this track: Cal! have you ever thought that you might in fact be aspie?

ZOMG! LETS COVNerT  THE WORLDZ!!!

Also, relationships. I don't see much other than sex nowadays, 'tis getting old. All the "Love" stories lack nice emotions. I'll admit that I can actually be a sucker for a good romance, but only if it's good enough that I can't point and laugh at it (like all modern romances.)

XD. I know what you mean. I tend to fall in-between, in that I know that sexual things could no doubt be WONDERFUL, if done responsibly, and with someone that you actually LOVE. At the same time, love is FAR more important to me than sex alone, but together, they no doubt are not a bad pair.

Point being, blindly whoring myself like everyone else around me just isn't something that I could do, because I don't really care about the people. On the same note - it doesn't mean that I don't have a sex drive.

XD, I'm thinking that most of you are the same. It's human, after all. I'm just tired of the extremists - those who think ONLY with their genitals, and those who claim that "sex doesn't interest them AT ALL", but that they "only want love." It's human to want both.

Opinions?

[Calintz]

What's an aspie?

[Vell]

a person with apserger's syndrome. mainly me and Seox on this forum.

[Sally]

i think people can want love, but also love sex.   and that im sure there are people who think with genitals and want love...

also, what do you mean,

because I don't really care about the people.

are you saying that if you were blindly whoring yourself you would be that way,
or you can't blindly whore yourself becouse you feel that way?

[Valcos]

Isnt there a difference between "making love" and "having sex"? I dont know the difference... but, i have heard that many times before

[fugibo]

Isnt there a difference between "making love" and "having sex"? I dont know the difference... but, i have heard that many times before

Making love = HEY, I'M OLD SCHOOL AND LIKE SOUNDING COOL!

Having Sex = Hi, I'm a Blizzard.

[Calintz]

There is a difference.

Well I think I would have been told by now if I had that, but I highly doubt I do.

[Seox]

i think people can want love, but also love sex.   and that im sure there are people who think with genitals and want love...

also, what do you mean,

because I don't really care about the people.

are you saying that if you were blindly whoring yourself you would be that way,
or you can't blindly whore yourself becouse you feel that way?

Sorry. I mean that I couldn't whore myself because I don't have any attraction to the people with which I would whore myself to.

Point being, because I don't care about them, I don't want sex with them, and wouldn't want to or be able to whore myself.

In other words, I want both love and sex, but not mutually exclusive of each other. (Only together.)

[Sally]

ah, yeah thats what i think.
i found someone i love. so its no bad.

[Diokatsu]

Because I'm not a homosexual.
I'm sorry that you can't appreciate the thought of male bonding Dio.

I'm glad you said that though Dio , because that was another thing I couldn't stand during high school. People who act as though two guys can't show sensitivity and talk about serious subjects and lay their hearts out on the line. IDC if people attempt to bring me down because I'm a sensitive, but the friends I have are golden because I'm honest with them, and I couldn't ask for better ones, especially B (Robert).

Dude, shut up. I was making a joke. Here something I can't stand: people who don't know when to not take things seriously. You don't know me, so how could you know if I can't appreciate male bonding? Dear me, it must true though, considering I made a joke about homosexuality since you two were getting along so well. I could have been kidding around!

Listen, don't talk about me as if I'm serious about any of this stuff. I made a joke, got serious for a quick second and then made another joke. If you couldn't tell, I'm not a very serious person in general here. For future reference, I'll be glad to tell you a bit about myself off of the forum. I, unlike most people, don't broadcast my opinions where everyone can see them, which is something I can't stand.

[Blizzard]

Sex without love is possible. We see it all the time. Love without sex is not possible. Why? Simple. If you love somebody and you don't have sex with that person, you are not in a relationship. I'm not saying that you have to have sex right away or something like that. All I'm saying is that if you "love" somebody and don't ever have sex with that person, then it's a friend and not a partner.

Why don't you two just slap your dicks together and call it love? I honestly can't contribute to this thread because, for one, I don't care and two, anything I might have said has been either incorporated into your wall of text or doesn't need to be said.

Also, new stereotype: people who are both athletic and smart. I've seen too many of them now. Let's go back to the times where people were one one thing!

Lmao!! Dio... you're always so mean xD.

I dont think its fair to call all people in high school immature. Sure, there is a crap load of people that are... but, its not completely true.  

Oh, they are immature. There are some exceptions, but generally they are all immature. Heck, even way more adults than you might think are actually quite immature.

@Ulta: Aspies are socially challenged. From what I saw from Calintz and Seox, they aren't.

[Sally]

Sex without love is possible. We see it all the time. Love without sex is not possible. Why? Simple. If you love somebody and you don't have sex with that person, you are not in a relationship. I'm not saying that you have to have sex right away or something like that. All I'm saying is that if you "love" somebody and don't ever have sex with that person, then it's a friend and not a partner.

i agree, but i believe that when y our 13-16 and your in a relationship without sex, it can be considered 'dating' and not a relationship.

[Blizzard]

You can look at it that way. But you don't date somebody for a year. As I said, a relationship requires sex or it's not a relationship, it's a friendship. Of course with "sex" I don't mean only sleeping with each other, I am referring to everything related (such as kissing, touching each other, etc.).

[Diokatsu]

Sex without love is possible. We see it all the time. Love without sex is not possible. Why? Simple. If you love somebody and you don't have sex with that person, you are not in a relationship. I'm not saying that you have to have sex right away or something like that. All I'm saying is that if you "love" somebody and don't ever have sex with that person, then it's a friend and not a partner.

i agree, but i believe that when y our 13-16 and your in a relationship without sex, it can be considered 'dating' and not a relationship.

WTF?! DATING IS A RELATIONSHIP. I HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FRIENDS TOO...IT'S CALLED "FRIENDSHIP".

To bring up old people again, I'm in what Roseskye would call a "nigger rage". Even y=x^2 is a relationship! They're equal to each other!

[Seox]

Blizz, good points. Thank you ^_^.

WAIT A MINUTE!

Blizz, did you rename yourself "Asshole"?!?!?!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

*powers up*

I'm glad to see that I'm not delusional in saying that the VAST majority of high school students are immature. (including myself, but not NEARLY as much.) That helps me to know that their 'heirarchy' is actually very bull****.

i agree, but i believe that when y our 13-16 and your in a relationship without sex, it can be considered 'dating' and not a relationship.

True. It really is situationally determined, I suppose.

Thank you for your contributions, Sally, Dio(katsu...which do you prefer?), and Bl....

Asshole?

XD

[Diokatsu]

Anything. Dio is shorter.

[Vell]

@Ulta: Aspies are socially challenged. From what I saw from Calintz and Seox, they aren't.

I've been diagnosed with asperger's as of VERY recently. I'm 16, by the way. I RARELY study, and just got AB honor roll all year in AP classes (well, I had two, but had A's and B's in them alongside everything else.). I have a tested IQ of 129, and made a 30 on my ACT the first time around. So, yeah, I think that we're both evidence of what you mention.

Regardless, humanity MUST be evolving, because NO species STAGNATES. The problem is that because physical evolution is no longer emphasized, we may, in theory, be DE-VOLVING. Think about this:

***holes reproduce more, because they whore themselves. Therefore more ***hole babies. Because, in America, intellectuals are shunned, wheras, to my knowledge, in, say, the UK, intellects are treated as the jocks are here. Point being, at least in America, because the intellectually inferior reproduce more (for the most part. Stereotypes tend not to be completely true, but mostly so, in this case.), their traits are passed on more often. Point being, I'd say that qualities that help us to survive in the wild, and qualities that help us to survive in the context of the padded room, cookie cutter world which humans have created, are NOT actually the ones being passed on.

Now, of course, that's me talking. I'm pissed, as far as that goes, and, one could argue that those who attempt to remain monogamous actually have more successful reproductive occurrences, then, in fact, their traits are being passed on more.

Either way, natural selection, in the context of humans, no longer exists. However, it is indeed molded by what humanity has become.

[Seox]

Yeah, I've been diagnosed, and I definitely find that some things are VERY aspie. For instance, I get OBSESSED with things. Making my game, for instance. When I have free time, that's all I've been doing lately. That's an example of skewed interest, which is definitely aspie. It changes every two months or so - that's why I left for a while.

However, me, my grandparents, AND the Doctor who diagnosed me all think that, although I have slight social impairment, it isn't very severe. Mainly, I can just go on and on about _______(insert topic here). Not all the time, but possible.

[Vell]

yeah. that's Aspie. mildly socially challenged, but not to the point of completely lacking functionality, like severe autistics. I was asking Cal because his behavior was relatively similar in some aspects to Seox's, and also, he gets along easily with the both of us. so, naturally, i lead to the conclusion, might he be? but of course, I have plenty of normal friends who act similarly to me in a few ways, so I allowed myself to be lazy, and not analyze him, because let's face it, that's creepy, and just asked 'you think you might?'

[Seox]

yeah. that's Aspie. mildly socially challenged, but not to the point of completely lacking functionality, like severe autistics. I was asking Cal because his behavior was relatively similar in some aspects to Seox's, and also, he gets along easily with the both of us. so, naturally, i lead to the conclusion, might he be? but of course, I have plenty of normal friends who act similarly to me in a few ways, so I allowed myself to be lazy, and not analyze him, because let's face it, that's creepy, and just asked 'you think you might?'

Very true, and I see the logical points which you're following.

Meh. Some aspies (Einstein, anyone?) are VERY completely lacking in social functioning. Usually, though, they CAN function, they just are so unnerved by the thought of doing so that they don't try.

So, random tangent regarding aspies: Ulta, Cal, do either of you have a "walk?", or wear anything....strange? You'll understand IMMEDIATELY if you do. Just curious.

Also, for those that don't know, aspies are not to be confused with asps.

Hisssss!!

^ No. Asps are snakes. *end random tangent*.

[Vell]

I run better on the tips of my toes, and find that it works my muscles better to do so. so every so often I go an entire walking one foot on the tips of my toes, and the other not. the only strange thing about what I wear is that I only wear sweats. can't stand the feel of anythign else(though i am occassionally forced to wear jeans or khakis, so I miraculously found a couple pairs of each that feel like sweats. GO ME!)

[Seox]

XD, I have a VERY strange walk. It scares the PISS out of people. Closest thing I can relate it to is "gangster" like, even though I HATE that genre. It's very....poised. I walk FIRMLY on my heel for stability, with bent knees, so that my heart doesn't have to work harder to pump blood to my lower extremities, giving me more energy. My head is down and a little forwards, to protect the throat and take full advantage of cephalization. My wrists are turned slightly outwards, allowing the solid bones and tougher skin of the upside of my forearm to face forwards, so that, if attacked from the front, I can quickly use my arms to repel anything up to knife blows. This means that, effectively, the only area which is "easy" to attack is my core, which is defended by my hands. This walk intimidates EVERYONE. Some people laugh at it, but I theorize that that is just so that they don't openly admit that they're....unnerved.

However, I know no other way to walk. Walking "normally" doesn't feel like it should, not in that it isn't habit, but more in that I don't think I'm walking "correctly", correctly.

When I cross an open room, the denser, the more intensely felt, I feel RIDICULOUSLY conscious of my "walk", and it makes me feel....judged. It's hell.


I LOOOOOOVE militaries, worldwide. Not for any specific reason. I guess it's the testosterone. I can probably name most all commonly sighted MBR (Main battle rifles) of most developed nations, as well as the style and cartridge. I can also tell you that the PSG-1 is an anti-terrorist sniper rifle produced by H&K, chambering the 7.62 x 51 mm NATO, equivalent, roughly, to the .308. This is a heavy rifle round. The rifle is one of the finest in the world, utilizing a free floating barrel, among other things, to give it the accuracy of a bolt action in a semi-automatic package.....

Blahblah blah. *Spares you the misery*

And that's just one weapon. I know MANY, MANY weapons.


And that leads me to MY iffy wear.

Camouflage.

Very rarely, I'll wear a full uniform (My favorite is my TRU-urban digital), but, FAR more often, I just wear my combat boots and the jacket to a uniform, with the sleeves rolled up. Oh yeah. With other clothes, XD. Not naked.


Point being, militaristic ends are one of my "aspie focuses", and I wear and walk combat. Yeah.


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EDIT: But anyone and everyone who knows, or has even SPOKEN to me, comments on my incredibly "gentleman" demeanor. I try to be polite. It works.

Point being, sure, one could claim that because I scare everyone crapless, I also scare away any potential admirers. But I think that when I hear people behind me in class whispering about how I'm intimidating at first, but RIDICULOUSLY "sweet", and I don't even know their NAMES, I must make an impression.

Seriously. It gets to the point that, halfway through this past school year, in the lunch line, when I was paying, the lunch lady stopped me and told me that a few other lunchladies and herself wanted me to know that I am, quote "The 'sweetest' and most polite person to go through the line everyday.'

Meh.

[Vell]

oh yeah, I remembered. I always have my weight shifted on to one leg or the other when standing. my hands are most often in my pockets, and I actually can walk very fast(slow run speed) while appearing to walk normally. I walk faster than I jog. I have incredible balance, considering i've never practiced it at all. I never stand normally. when I try to stand straight the middle of my back feels all weird. my back is Never straight. two of the discs are messed up, or somethin.

[Seox]

oh yeah, I remembered.[...] , and I actually can walk very fast(slow run speed) while appearing to walk normally. I walk faster than I jog. [...] I never stand normally. when I try to stand straight the middle of my back feels all weird. my back is Never straight. two of the discs are messed up, or somethin.

All of those, I am, too. I walk at the speed of SOUND, zipping between people in the halls at school. I outRUN other walkers, who tell me to slow up...XD. This IS slow, for me. Of course, all of that has equated to my being able to jog 1 and a half miles without stopping.

So, if you don't mind my asking, how old are you, and are you male, or female? I had NO IDEA that another aspie was here...it's kinda cool, given that I've never spoken to another one, before. The similarities are really strange and amazing, at the same time.

[Vell]

I'm not very physically fit, so I can't jog anything like that... but I'm prolly best walker i know. I know several other aspies, so I know what you're talkin about. however, I'm also paranoid, famously. I don't give out personal info, so I can't answer your questions.

[Seox]

I'm not very physically fit, so I can't jog anything like that... but I'm prolly best walker i know. I know several other aspies, so I know what you're talkin about. however, I'm also paranoid, famously. I don't give out personal info, so I can't answer your questions.

Fair enough ^_^. I was just curious to know, given the degree of the similarities, how you compared physiologically. Sorry ><

Yeah, I have entertained paranoia. Meaning I intentionally act it. ACT IT!!!! XD.

It's part of m-

Oh my god, a spetsnazian operative trained in CQC and assassination just jumped into the window behind you!

It's just part of my randomness, but it's over the top and intentionally crazy.


EDIT:

So, anyways, back on topic (A bit:)

Psychologically, when do you people decide that they "like someone?" When they see them, have spoken to them, or etc...?

ENSUE DEBATE!!!

(XD)

[Valcos]

For me I usually gain an interest when I see them. If they have a unique something about their look that I like. Then if I talk to them, and I like their personality... I guess I like them then xD. But, liking someone really isnt a big thing. From my experience, "liking someone" doesnt last very long, unless you that like grows to something more.

[Seox]

For me I usually gain an interest when I see them. If they have a unique something about their look that I like. Then if I talk to them, and I like their personality... I guess I like them then xD. But, liking someone really isnt a big thing. From my experience, "liking someone" doesnt last very long, unless you that like grows to something more.

Hmmm....Interesting. Thank you ^_^

I'm really curious because of the way that I walk and "put off." Like I said, it can scare people, and so I think that that may turn away any potential admirers, even though if they just talked to me they'd see that I are teh uber nice.

It's really a pity, because I don't know how to walk, otherwise. It sounds simple ; it's not. So I'm STUCK in this...whatever. I wish I could know whether or not people around me DO/DID like me, because I have no way of knowing, and since noone tries to show it, I am left to assume that, for some reason, noone likes/has liked/will like me.

Meh. I agree with you completely on the fact that liking someone doesn't last long. In some situations, it seems to be capable of lasting, but, usually, after the person has "hooked a fish", unless they respond, pulling the rod up and reeling in, the fish gets off the hook. (If that made sense, metaphorically.)

[Valcos]

When I really like someone... like alot, its weird, I dont get "aroused" by anyone else but that person . And even then, its not like when i think of the person, thats all i think about. Its usually the second thing i think about xD.

[Seox]

. And even then, its not like when i think of the person, thats all i think about. Its usually the second thing i think about xD.

I don't understand what you mean when you say that it's usually the second thing you do...Could you please elaborate? I'm very interested in what you're saying ^_^

[fugibo]

. And even then, its not like when i think of the person, thats all i think about. Its usually the second thing i think about xD.

I don't understand what you mean when you say that it's usually the second thing you do...Could you please elaborate? I'm very interested in what you're saying ^_^

Val failed that post. But I believe what she was trying to say is, "Sex isn't the first thing on my mind."

[Seox]

. And even then, its not like when i think of the person, thats all i think about. Its usually the second thing i think about xD.

I don't understand what you mean when you say that it's usually the second thing you do...Could you please elaborate? I'm very interested in what you're saying ^_^

Val failed that post. But I believe what she was trying to say is, "Sex isn't the first thing on my mind."

Thanks ^_^. Definitely makes sense now, just wasn't clear as to what she was refering to by "it".

Any other opinions?

[fugibo]

Well, I kinda detest other people. Particularly the Seox type, but as long as you have your tongue in cheek or similar while complementing people for no reason I'm okay with it. Of course, this leads to people hating me (especially when I publicly ridicule them for their idiocy), so I haven't any relationships. I find people who do have them to be rather boring and uninteresting while around their SO. It's very saddening.

Also, Meena.

[Valcos]

. And even then, its not like when i think of the person, thats all i think about. Its usually the second thing i think about xD.

I don't understand what you mean when you say that it's usually the second thing you do...Could you please elaborate? I'm very interested in what you're saying ^_^

Val failed that post. But I believe what she was trying to say is, "Sex isn't the first thing on my mind."

Yeah, more or less that. Like, I dont want to just get it on with that person... I want to have a functioning relationship and stuff.

[Seox]

Well, I kinda detest other people. Particularly the Seox type,

[Blizzard]

Well, I kinda detest other people. Particularly the Seox type, but as long as you have your tongue in cheek or similar while complementing people for no reason I'm okay with it. Of course, this leads to people hating me (especially when I publicly ridicule them for their idiocy), so I haven't any relationships. I find people who do have them to be rather boring and uninteresting while around their SO. It's very saddening.

Also, Meena.

Depends. I know many people who are in relationships, yet they are alright. Most of them don't change at all while in a relationship.

[Valcos]

I noticed that... one of the people in the relationship starts to become "WHIIIPPPPEEDDDD!!!!!" by the other person. It may not be because they are pansy, but, they may just like that person that much they just do what they say all the time 

[Seox]

I noticed that... one of the people in the relationship starts to become "WHIIIPPPPEEDDDD!!!!!" by the other person. It may not be because they are pansy, but, they may just like that person that much they just do what they say all the time 

XD, I would probably do the latter, because of the fact that, in my crazy idealistic intentions, I would always attempt to give my "best" to my partner (NO NOT A SEXUAL STATEMENT, I mean as far as mood.). And that's putting it lightly. That, combined with my intentions to STAY romantic with her would mean that it's less of an "Oh, ok, let's do it...", and more of a "HELLZ YEAH!"

Point being, there's no reason that either of us would HAVE to be teh voluntary slave, because we'd both want to, anyways. And because I'll care about her, I'd gladly listen to and follow along with what she says - doesn't mean I'd like to be ORDERED AROUND ALL DAY, but you get my point. I think I will fall in with the latter, but only to a degree.


So, what do you guys think ruin most relationships, short term and long, suddenly and slowly?

IE

Short term, suddenly? Cheating.
Long term, slowly? The dying of any romance. It's no longer a courtship type atmosphere. It's a "Meh." Kinda thing.


Of course, PLEASE be more descriptive. XD. I'm interested in hearing the details behind this stuff.

[fugibo]

Boredom.

[Seox]

Boredom.

As a result of?

I'd assume the other person's ceasing to attempt to "woo" them. I've heard that quite often. So how does one keep a fresh "bag of tricks?" (Gee, that didn't sound at all sexual, gay, or just plain strange >.>)

[fugibo]

Boredom.

As a result of?

I'd assume the other person's ceasing to attempt to "woo" them. I've heard that quite often. So how does one keep a fresh "bag of tricks?" (Gee, that didn't sound at all sexual, gay, or just plain strange >.>)

Just getting bored, like little kids do with new toys after a few days. Boredom.

Of course, that means that in order to have to create a lasting relationships, you both have to be Game Boys. (How's that for a gay innuendo)

[Seox]

Boredom.

As a result of?

I'd assume the other person's ceasing to attempt to "woo" them. I've heard that quite often. So how does one keep a fresh "bag of tricks?" (Gee, that didn't sound at all sexual, gay, or just plain strange >.>)

Just getting bored, like little kids do with new toys after a few days. Boredom.

Of course, that means that in order to have to create a lasting relationships, you both have to be Game Boys. (How's that for a gay innuendo)

XD

Game Boys, as in (in a serious sense)....?

Innuendo...Nice choice of word, XD.


A lot of people would argue that commitment makes a relationship last. I think that that's a load of crap. Think about it. Make the other person enjoy you, and, if they're NOT a prick, and they love you, they'll probably do the same to/for you, and be enjoyable. You both enjoy the relationship, and so you both WANT to commit, and you do. Just committing may mean that you don't cheat on each other, but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that you have to truly enjoy your partner. Agree/Disagree?

[Vell]

Agreed. Committment isn't always a sign of enjoyment. I know people who commit to things just because they started it. So you may very well be fully 'committed' to a relationship, but not actually have your heart in it. of course, then there'd be no point in committing in the first place. Normal people feel free to have a different side. I have no other points.

[Seox]

Thank you very much, Ulta ^_^


It seems to me like it is absolutely, positively PARAMOUNT to a good relationship to get the "fire" started PROPERLY, and then to KEEP it going. Usually, people seem to screw up one or both, which messes the whole thing up in the long run. Therefore, you have to really want it for it to be as good as it could be, short, and long term. Just my $986.40.

[Blizzard]

Agreed. Committment isn't always a sign of enjoyment. I know people who commit to things just because they started it. So you may very well be fully 'committed' to a relationship, but not actually have your heart in it. of course, then there'd be no point in committing in the first place. Normal people feel free to have a different side. I have no other points.

I agree there. I've been witness to something like that. But I think commitment comes close to love or is a part of love. Commitment means that you care. It means that you are ready to endure bad times just for that special person.

[Vell]

agreed, as well. Committment IS a part of love.  Can be confusing, though, the reasons some people commit to a relationship.

[Seox]

Agreed. Committment isn't always a sign of enjoyment. I know people who commit to things just because they started it. So you may very well be fully 'committed' to a relationship, but not actually have your heart in it. of course, then there'd be no point in committing in the first place. Normal people feel free to have a different side. I have no other points.

I agree there. I've been witness to something like that. But I think commitment comes close to love or is a part of love. Commitment means that you care. It means that you are ready to endure bad times just for that special person.

I think that this is the answer:

1. commitment is not a sign of love. commitment is what some religions enforce. commitment is what's "politically correct". commitment is when two people stay together "for the kids", or "because it's right". They actually stay together, though.

2. Commitment IS a sign or love. So much, so, that, when you love someone enough, the two of you ARE committed, even though noone explicitly mentioned that. NO religion can enforce Commitment, because you can't "create" it - it tends to just appear as a result of love (meaning it rarely exists. XD). Commitment isn't even MENTIONED morally, because most people think of the #1 definition. Commitment is when two people stay toghether solely because of the fact that they could imagine no other way for them to exist without each other, happily. It's when two people love each other, genuinely, and, not "declaring it", automatically do it, without awareness of it. It stems from love, not fear.


I think that that's the answer there.

[Blizzard]

Things like "commitment to stay together for the kids" is a sign of love towards the kids, not the partner. Commitment is a sign of love or part of love (depends on how you look at it). It's just a question toward whom and for who/because of who. You can be committed to a broken marriage for the kids.

[Seox]

Things like "commitment to stay together for the kids" is a sign of love towards the kids, not the partner. Commitment is a sign of love or part of love (depends on how you look at it). It's just a question toward whom and for who/because of who. You can be committed to a broken marriage for the kids.

O_O

Completely true, and that totally slipped my mind. Interesting to note that it's a sign of love towards the kids. Usually, when you really do love the partner, you really do love the kids, and commitment to both exists, but never has to be explicitly stated. It never becomes an issue.

EDIT: And I just realized that it's nearly impossible to check my PMs.

XD

[fugibo]

Err... commitment is a symptom of more than just love, guys. It's not really a sign of "OMG I LOVEZ U!!!!1." For example, take a look at Bella and Edward. I wouldn't call it love, more a horny guy taking advantage of a hopelessly insecure and depressed moron.

[Blizzard]

And who said that love always has to be returned and that love can never result in pain? Also, in that case it's love towards sex that creates the commitment.

[fugibo]

And who said that love always has to be returned and that love can never result in pain? Also, in that case it's love towards sex that creates the commitment.

Really, Blizz, consider your statement -- "Love towards sex?" That's the only kind of love humans are capable of. That's why we love. (putting aside the other, familial types of course)

[Blizzard]

What I am trying to say is that he's a selfish asshole who loves himself more than the person he's with in order to give himself the pleasure of sexual satisfaction. He technically loves himself. Human psychology is complicated (I should get killed for this lie) and it's not so easy to interpret it (and for this one I should burn in hell).

[Seox]

Err... commitment is a symptom of more than just love, guys. It's not really a sign of "OMG I LOVEZ U!!!!1." For example, take a look at Bella and Edward. I wouldn't call it love, more a horny guy taking advantage of a hopelessly insecure and depressed moron.

XD, agrees with the last statement.


Well, I think that people DO instinctively love sex, and through experiencing it. But I ALSO think that true companionship is also something that people can grow to love, due to the level of camaraderie present, and to the constant shows of "I'm here for you, love you, and on your side."

Then, in that case, I think that you're rught. It's not really a sign of OMGLOVEZES, but true commitment USUALLY results partly because of it. It consists of many things, it's just that that's the most evident and tangible, so it's what I've called it by. Point being,

Commitment A and Commitment B differ. Commitment A comes from a mutual WANT to commit because of something. Commitment B comes from a mutual understanding, but not a mutual relationship as far as really having SOME type of caring/love/sexual stuffs and want to remain together. Commitment A happens automatically and silently. Commitments B is enforced and declared.

EDIT:

He, being a given person, and not anyone here in particular? XD.


I agree with ya on the psychology thing, Blizz. It's actually very simple, when you learn about what makes people "go."

[fugibo]

What I am trying to say is that he's a selfish asshole who loves himself more than the person he's with in order to give himself the pleasure of sexual satisfaction. He technically loves himself. Human psychology is complicated (I should get killed for this lie) and it's not so easy to interpret it (and for this one I should burn in hell).

No, it is complicated to most average people. Mainly because they're too caught up in their horrible "WOE IS ME!!!!!11" and "ZOMG I IZ SO PURDY" lives to actually notice anything useful. (lol, I should talk, I didn't even notice it was Wednesday yesterday)

Coincidentally, Randall seems to be getting better at being funny. Just a bit. He also has a Thinkpad, Blizz; what do you think of those?

[Blizzard]

I don't know. Apple makes you funnier?

[fugibo]

Wait, what? Thinkpad = Lenovo/IBM.

[Seox]

Wait, what? Thinkpad = Lenovo/IBM.

O_o

*head explode due to not knowing wtf you're talking about*


Longfellow, I think you hit the nail on the head with the fact that to most average people, psychology is hard. I've often thought about that myself. ^_^

[Vell]

Psychology is, in fact, complex. it's just, to those who think in it daily, it is not. Take coding for instance. Blizz finds it easy even to THINK in coding... I can't understand a flippin thing when i take a look at a script. but he scripts often, possibly daily, and it's something he's proficient at. so, to him, it is simple. To the rest of us, however, is the fact: it's complicated.

[Seox]

Psychology is, in fact, complex. it's just, to those who think in it daily, it is not. Take coding for instance. Blizz finds it easy even to THINK in coding... I can't understand a flippin thing when i take a look at a script. but he scripts often, possibly daily, and it's something he's proficient at. so, to him, it is simple. To the rest of us, however, is the fact: it's complicated.

I think that that is yet another great point - it's only complex to those who aren't well versed in it. I think that that holds true. ^_^

[fugibo]

Ulta, that's like saying cooking bacon is complex, just because a starving African couldn't do it.

My analogies fail really hard.

[Valcos]

Yeah... I have no clue what you are trying to say there

[fugibo]

I'm saying that just because something's kinda scary and unusual at first, that doesn't mean that there's anything "complex" about it.

[Seox]

Ulta, that's like saying cooking bacon is complex, just because a starving African couldn't do it.

My analogies fail really hard.

Also true, actually.

I guess it's all subjective. Meh.

[Valcos]

I'm saying that just because something's kinda scary and unusual at first, that doesn't mean that there's anything "complex" about it.

... o.O

[Blizzard]

You're all right. Sure, there are things that seem complex, but they aren't complex at all. I consider coding to be complex. Just because I know it, doesn't mean it's not complex. But there are things that are simple. They are even obvious. Psychology is actually simple. It's just the uncertain stuff that confuses people. It's not simple to get the grip of it, but as soon as you know what's going on, you know it all. On the other side some people simply can't get the grip of it and that's it.

@FL: Yeah, Thinkpad was Lenovo/IBM, right. >.< Sorry about that.

[Vell]

well, that is an excellent point you make. I suppose breaking into the thought pattern allowing psychological interpretation is the complex part.

[Blizzard]

It's definitely much harder if you have no help or if you don't read about it.

[Seox]

well, that is an excellent point you make. I suppose breaking into the thought pattern allowing psychological interpretation is the complex part.

But what about those people who seem almost "predisposed" towards something? They don't really "break" anything. It seems like they were always there.

So I guess the argument here is, is it nature or nurture that allows us the skills that we have? Practice aside, which one decides the answer?

[Blizzard]

But what about those people who seem almost "predisposed" towards something? They don't really "break" anything. It seems like they were always there.

The just seem to have never "broken in" because they are that good. Also, back on topic.

[Vell]

split it into intelligent debate, I wanna continue this.

Note: I have nothin else to say on topic unless someone calls up somethin i can debate.

[fugibo]

Is premarital sex morally right?

[Calintz]

I suppose that would depend on the person's morals.

[Seox]

I suppose that would depend on the person's morals.

XD, wouldn't that be circular, although true, logic?


It's right if it's right to you. Therefore, that's not what should be debated. If it practical? Is it practical for the relationship? No. Because of the fact that, then you have ambiguities as far as children and etc, it is not practical. And to the relationship? No. Because then, you both attribute less value to sex, each other, the relationship, and virtue. And all of those, later on, lead to significantly higher divorce rates.
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[Blizzard]

I suppose that would depend on the person's morals.

Haha, good one.

I'd rather say it depends on the religion. :/

[Calintz]

and if you're an atheist?

[Blizzard]

Atheism is a religion.

[fugibo]

and if you're an atheist?

I actually had a similar thought as soon as I read Blizz's post.

New phrasing:
"Is fornication morally right for atheists?"

Loophole that, plox.

[Seox]

and if you're an atheist?

I actually had a similar thought as soon as I read Blizz's post.

New phrasing:
"Is fornication morally right for atheists?"

Loophole that, plox.

Well, I guess that would depend on what octane gas you put into your car.    :V


Hmmmm....my last post only went for "is it practical/good for the people and relationship." In the moral case? Since atheists have no religious edict, they are technically free to choose. Meaning, as Cal said, it really does depend on THEIR morals. Since most of them don't really think either way, I'd be led to say No, even though I disagree with it. Meh.