Extraterrestrial Life

[Spaceman McConaughey]

There is always an argument over wether there's actaully life in this universe besides us.
But, I, personally, believe you have to be pretty narrow-minded to believe we Humans(Animals included) are the only intelligent life, if not, the only life in the universe.

All of these UFO(Unidentified Flying Object) and USO(Unidentified Submerged Object) sightings can't just be from
from crazy people that are making up stories.(Some of 'em are, though.)

I know, some UFOs caught on tape have been proven false, but most, if not, some are unexplained, which
of course means they could very well be real or fake.

And when these aliens do decide to actaully interact with our world leaders(Or whoever they think might be the world leader(s) ) they are
either going to decide to make peace and partner up with us, give us there technology and fix our problem with global warming(Or whatever they might do)
or they're gonna wipe out all humanity, or keep us as slaves.

But, of course, thit is all coming from someone who believes in alien life, but would very much like to hear anybody's side of the argument.

So... let's debate.

[Blizzard]

I agree with you there. It's very ignorant to believe we would be the only intelligent life out there. Didn't people think the Earth was flat? Didn't people think the sun would revolve around the Earth? Didn't people think thunder was the wrath of gods? People think a lot and most of it is wrong.

[Vell]

well, you know, they could do something similar to what the Federation does in Star Trek. Observe, and when they are able to accept peaceful ways of doing things, communicate with them. do not interfere. We're probably being observed rather constantly. I doubt however that an alien would suddenly show up and say 'oh btw, we saw how you fucked up your own planet(even though we might not be) and we decided to be ubercredibly nice and fix your problems. btw we hope this doesn't make you any MORE lazy.'

[Blizzard]

Yeah, it's possible. It might even be a very likely that such a federation exists somewhere.

[fugibo]

"Universal Life" is a very, very, very bad way of expressing "Extraterrestrial." Even though the latter is equally wrong, it is widely excepted to mean "alieans" in modern culture, whereas "Universal Life" means something more like "ompipresent life," which has several possible interpretations.

And I think that this debate will quickly shift into a debate over the meaning of "life" (33!), since our current scientific one is infinitely sucky.

[Blizzard]

As soon as it goes offtopic, it will be locked or split. Don't you worry about that. So stay on topic.

And yeah, I agree with LF. Universal life is a bad term for it. Extraterrestrial life isn't actually that bad. It means "life outside/away from Earth".

[Blizzard]

Not going to happen with me. xD
I simply don't waste time on thinking about it. I just think there probably is intelligent life out that and that's it. Nice to talk about it, though.

[Vell]

seriously it's bugs me, Global Warming. we've been tracking the earths temperature for, what? 200 years? it's been around, what? 4 billion? it might well be a Natural Cycle. >.>

anyway.

I doubt they'd make you their ruler. there are so many people who are born leaders, and those who think they are never actually are. and our technology is actually interesting. it just isn't flashy lookin, cuz we haven't figured out how to do that. although, if aliens could abduct us, they prolly would have some neat-o stuff, too. but if they're after medical analysis, they should prolly pick up a Bass instead of a human. Bass as in the fishy.

[Spaceman McConaughey]

Personally... I also think it'd be cool if the USO took me to the underwater base. The aliens that have been camping in our deepest oceans will be like: look at the and his highly undeveloped body.... are
those... fingers? Hair?   Get him out of my sight. And I'll be like: from   to   to this

"And I've always wanted to meet you guys, too...!"  


Back on topic: Well, I know they wouldn't make me there leader... but, if they did...  

[Seox]

Who says that ET life has to be intelligent? I LOVE how everyone always assumes that they have spaceships. They could be incestual monkeys on a toxic fifth moon somewhere. Keep in mind the number of species on earth, and how many are sentient. Now think about the possibility.

^ Opinions?

[Vell]

well. we're talking about life able to communicate with us. it'd be horridly boring to say 'gee I wonder if we'll be able to find incestual monkeys on a toxic fifth moon somewhere. that'd be swell.'

[King Munkey]

Who says that ET life has to be intelligent? I LOVE how everyone always assumes that they have spaceships. They could be incestual monkeys on a toxic fifth moon somewhere. Keep in mind the number of species on earth, and how many are sentient. Now think about the possibility.

^ Opinions?

Takes offense

Well maybe not all other life forms that exist are intelligent but there can be some that are there could be some that are not. We do not know. We may not know for a long time. To me I think that it is possible that they exist. They do not have to look like this

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or this

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or this even

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they could exist as various other forms of life that even the greatest science fiction minds have not thought up.

It is possible for them to look like this

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As for them communicating with us. Would it be very likely that they would know how to speak English, Russian, German, French, Spanish, Japanese, etc. Unless they have studied us for years and learned our culture and ways then that is possible. Also if they are similar to us then our mannerisms may not be the same as theirs. Something we do to say hello could be an insult to them.

But I didn't read much else of this thread (bad munkey) I just seen incestual monkey and that made me laugh so I decided to throw what i had to say about things.

[Blizzard]

I agree. That there is ANY life out there is even more probable.

[Seox]

XD, I didn't read much of the topic, either, just wanted to put that point out.

The MINUTE that I saw that there was a reply from King Munkey, I was like...."I know what this is about, XD!"

@ Ulta -
I think you're right. People WANT it to be this crazy, mystical, terrifying, fantasy driven beast. If they were incestual King Muonkeys, it wouldn't have the same attraction. I completely agree.

[fugibo]

Why not? It worked for H.G. Wells, guys. (hint: I'm referring to morlocks)

[Spaceman McConaughey]

As for them communicating with us. Would it be very likely that they would know how to speak English, Russian, German, French, Spanish, Japanese, etc. Unless they have studied us for years and learned our culture and ways then that is possible. Also if they are similar to us then our mannerisms may not be the same as theirs. Something we do to say hello could be an insult to them.

They have been watching over humans for thousands of years now. Who's to say they haven't learned something about ANY language with the body reactions people make (And other stuff) after saying something?

EDIT: It just came to me that these life forms could've evolved so much, that they are really fast learners. And you know they must be capable of that if they have enough knowlage to build the space ships i takes to get to our planet in an instant.

So this proves my point.

[fugibo]

As for them communicating with us. Would it be very likely that they would know how to speak English, Russian, German, French, Spanish, Japanese, etc. Unless they have studied us for years and learned our culture and ways then that is possible. Also if they are similar to us then our mannerisms may not be the same as theirs. Something we do to say hello could be an insult to them.

They have been watching over humans for thousands of years now. Who's to say they haven't learned something about ANY language with the body reactions people make (And other stuff) after saying something?

EDIT: It just came to me that these life forms could've evolved so much, that they are really fast learners. And you know they must be capable of that if they have enough knowlage to build the space ships i takes to get to our planet in an instant.

So this proves my point.

Obviously they require evolution, natural selection, and verbalized communication to be sentient :V

[King Munkey]

As for them communicating with us. Would it be very likely that they would know how to speak English, Russian, German, French, Spanish, Japanese, etc. Unless they have studied us for years and learned our culture and ways then that is possible. Also if they are similar to us then our mannerisms may not be the same as theirs. Something we do to say hello could be an insult to them.

They have been watching over humans for thousands of years now. Who's to say they haven't learned something about ANY language with the body reactions people make (And other stuff) after saying something?

EDIT: It just came to me that these life forms could've evolved so much, that they are really fast learners. And you know they must be capable of that if they have enough knowlage to build the space ships i takes to get to our planet in an instant.

So this proves my point.

Obviously they require evolution, natural selection, and verbalized communication to be sentient :V

Maybe they are complete idiots and stumbled upon a space ship wound up getting lost and making it to Earth and then they found out they humans and themselves are both on the same level. Idiots.

[fugibo]

But who made that space ship?

[Seox]

But who made that space ship?

The space invaders. From the old arcade game of the same name.

Ok, no. XD

XD, really though, who's to say that they're capable of interstellar travel? WE aren't, and we're "intelligent."

[Spaceman McConaughey]

As for them communicating with us. Would it be very likely that they would know how to speak English, Russian, German, French, Spanish, Japanese, etc. Unless they have studied us for years and learned our culture and ways then that is possible. Also if they are similar to us then our mannerisms may not be the same as theirs. Something we do to say hello could be an insult to them.

They have been watching over humans for thousands of years now. Who's to say they haven't learned something about ANY language with the body reactions people make (And other stuff) after saying something?

EDIT: It just came to me that these life forms could've evolved so much, that they are really fast learners. And you know they must be capable of that if they have enough knowlage to build the space ships i takes to get to our planet in an instant.

So this proves my point.

Obviously they require evolution, natural selection, and verbalized communication to be sentient :V

Maybe they are complete idiots and stumbled upon a space ship wound up getting lost and making it to Earth and then they found out they humans and themselves are both on the same level. Idiots.

Where are they gonna get a pace ship if they can't travel to other planets? And chances are, if they can travel to Earth, they are definetley not the same level.... unless, of course, the higher level aliens had some lower level aliens on there ship.

And to the above poster: Does every being in the universe have to be of the same intelligence? I don't think so.
So, naturaly, there is a race somewhere who is capable of building such ships for this task.

[fugibo]

But who made that space ship?

The space invaders. From the old arcade game of the same name.

Ok, no. XD

XD, really though, who's to say that they're capable of interstellar travel? WE aren't, and we're "intelligent."

Ever heard of Project Orion?

[Vell]

no, I did not, but that is interesting. We're capable, we're simply waiting until we have the ability to keep ourselves perfectly safe as we did. interesting. Nice read, Longfellow.

[fugibo]

no, I did not, but that is interesting. We're capable, we're simply waiting until we have the ability to keep ourselves perfectly safe as we did. interesting. Nice read, Longfellow.

Thank you. I can't remember how I stumbled upon it, but I thought it was kinda stupid that we've had that technology for decades and just haven't bothered to get it to work right. Pogo sticks FTW! XD

[Vell]

well, as it is, it'd be too dangerous to test and stuff. so they're looking out for the rest of us.

[Seox]

And to the above poster: Does every being in the universe have to be of the same intelligence? I don't think so.
So, naturaly, there is a race somewhere who is capable of building such ships for this task.

That's a non-sequitur. Humans are EXTREMELY well versed in computer sciences, but we know virtually NOTHING about the bottom of the ocean. Just because a species has obtained the means to travel through the universe, doesn't mean that they're omniscient. As a matter of fact, the only reason that humans are led to believe what you say is because we believe that interstellar travel is complex. Because it is. To us. To a species who has already developed it, that is simply not the case. In other words, that you say what you said only serves to prove my point further.



Longfellow. Interesting. No, I've never heard of it, but, at any rate, I was referring to the fact that you or I can't just say "IMA GO ON A SUNDAY INTERPLANETARY DRIVE!", hop into our supersuperfloatycar 1337,000 (Yes. Four numbers without a comma.), and fly around space. XD. Still, nice point.

Speaking of which, how did you manage to learn as much as you know in such underground topics? Not secrecy underground. More like "no-one's ever heard of the damn thing, even though they should've because it's amazingly deep and philosophical."

Might I add that project orion may not even exist. It also may be 20 years obsolete. Not to be a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracist, but the government STRICTLY controls most all information, ESPECIALLY that of government organizations, such as NASA. Agree?


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The 'base design' consisted of a 4000 ton model planned for ground launch from Jackass Flats, Nevada.

As infantile as it may be, I can't help but crap my pants laughing.

[fugibo]

Uhm...

Project Orion was the first engineering design study of a spacecraft powered by nuclear pulse propulsion, an idea proposed first by Stanisław Ulam during 1947

initiated in 1958

The Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 is generally acknowledged to have ended the project.

There you have it. We had this tech before '69, when we made it to the moon. It's just a tad outdated.

[Seox]

Uhm...

Project Orion was the first engineering design study of a spacecraft powered by nuclear pulse propulsion, an idea proposed first by Stanisław Ulam during 1947

initiated in 1958

The Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 is generally acknowledged to have ended the project.

There you have it. We had this tech before '69, when we made it to the moon. It's just a tad outdated.

I mean vastly >.>

In that whatever the government claims is "cutting edge" and "high-tech" is really 10+ years old. In other words, it's damn well possible that they've already got some kind of crazy interplanetary travel, but they've just deemed it necessary to hide the fact, for civil-civility. Yeah. Civility....

[fugibo]

Uhm...

Project Orion was the first engineering design study of a spacecraft powered by nuclear pulse propulsion, an idea proposed first by Stanisław Ulam during 1947

initiated in 1958

The Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 is generally acknowledged to have ended the project.

There you have it. We had this tech before '69, when we made it to the moon. It's just a tad outdated.

I mean vastly >.>

In that whatever the government claims is "cutting edge" and "high-tech" is really 10+ years old. In other words, it's damn well possible that they've already got some kind of crazy interplanetary travel, but they've just deemed it necessary to hide the fact, for civil-civility. Yeah. Civility....

Even Soviet Russia bragged about it almost instantly when they succeeded.

[Seox]

Uhm...

Project Orion was the first engineering design study of a spacecraft powered by nuclear pulse propulsion, an idea proposed first by Stanisław Ulam during 1947

initiated in 1958

The Partial Test Ban Treaty of 1963 is generally acknowledged to have ended the project.

There you have it. We had this tech before '69, when we made it to the moon. It's just a tad outdated.

I mean vastly >.>

In that whatever the government claims is "cutting edge" and "high-tech" is really 10+ years old. In other words, it's damn well possible that they've already got some kind of crazy interplanetary travel, but they've just deemed it necessary to hide the fact, for civil-civility. Yeah. Civility....

Even Soviet Russia bragged about it almost instantly when they succeeded.

BUT

Firstly, who's to say that they actually did it? And, if they did, who's to say that they hadn't done it WAY earlier, and only then released the info. And, even if they did do it on time, they had something to gain - political and military supremacy over the U.S. during the cold war.

Again, my point emerges victorious - a government only releases information when it is to its benefit. Leaks occur, but only rarely.

[Spaceman McConaughey]

I don't care what you say, Seox. I do infact believe the government, and whoever else is involved, has not figured out how to travel to other palnets beyond our solar system.

And, if you ment "travel to planets in our solar system", get that out of this topic, because this is about Extraterrestrial Life, traveling to our planet. So clearly, any talk about traveling to another planet SHOULD be about planets beyond our solar system.

[Seox]

I don't care what you say, Seox. I do infact believe the government, and whoever else is involved, has not figured out how to travel to other palnets beyond our solar system.

And, if you ment "travel to planets in our solar system", get that out of this topic, because this is about Extraterrestrial Life, traveling to our planet. So clearly, any talk about traveling to another planet SHOULD be about planets beyond our solar system.

First of all, if my theory holds true, then you just PROVED it.

I don't care what you say, Seox. I do infact believe the government, and whoever else is involved, has not figured out how to travel to other palnets beyond our solar system.

That's exactly the thought process that they'd intend to instill upon the general populace.

Secondly, my previous points still apply. I was referring to one piece of the puzzle that is extraterrestrial life. I was primarily referring to the weighted balances and biases of races, in that, since, FOR EXAMPLE, humans know much about one thing and little about another, even IF extraterrestrials built their own spacecraft, that IN NO WAY signifies an intellectually superior race. Now, most people would claim that it does. Which proves that I'm correct. Because, to us, it is - but only because we have not yet mastered it.

By the way, interstellar is on a much larger basis than just our tiny solar system.

Point being, look at the big picture, and you'll see that my arguments hold their own, with ease.

[fugibo]

I don't care what you say, Seox. I do infact believe the government, and whoever else is involved, has not figured out how to travel to other palnets beyond our solar system.

And, if you ment "travel to planets in our solar system", get that out of this topic, because this is about Extraterrestrial Life, traveling to our planet. So clearly, any talk about traveling to another planet SHOULD be about planets beyond our solar system.

Your logic is epic fail. Srsly. We have no proof that we are the only planet in this solar system with intelligent life, or that there are only Nine Eight Planets. For all we know, there could be eleven.

[Seox]

I don't care what you say, Seox. I do infact believe the government, and whoever else is involved, has not figured out how to travel to other palnets beyond our solar system.

And, if you ment "travel to planets in our solar system", get that out of this topic, because this is about Extraterrestrial Life, traveling to our planet. So clearly, any talk about traveling to another planet SHOULD be about planets beyond our solar system.

Your logic is epic fail. Srsly. We have no proof that we are the only planet in this solar system with intelligent life, or that there are only Nine Eight Planets. For all we know, there could be eleven.

And who said that they're really planets? They could be ninjas. Ninjas with moons.

Really, though, Branden, I think that you're focusing too heavily on minor details, and not looking at the objective whole of the topic. Look at it IN context, and then it'll become quite clear.