Quote from: Kagutsuchi on February 13, 2011, 07:03:22 am
Meta physics versus pseudo science. While the stars may have some effect on us, through background radiation mostly from super novas, black holes and quazars etc, these fall in under chaos theory, in that they are far too small variations in a too complex system for us to be capable of analyzing them, merely by looking at their positions. For the moment this is just meta physics and things we can't determine with todays technology, and anyone claiming otherwise are scammers.
Have a look at this video if you wonder why your star sign is wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqPtMqw6CSo
People from historic times weren't stupid. The fact that their findings are not properly interpreted is the reason for their studies to fall into the realm of pseudo-science.
And in the video, he does mention that Vedic astrology accounts for the wobble of the Earth's axis. That was the flaw he was pointing out in the video, and he admits it's not true for Vedic astrology.
What I'm saying is, "anyone claiming otherwise" are NOT scammers. Most of them are, and the wise ones among them acknowledge the uncertainties of their beliefs. Folks of the old did their homework, but their findings are unfortunately lost. Let's not dismiss their wisdom just because we with our relatively new albeit seemingly superior "technology" can't make sense of it. (btw, look up vedic astrology. Have you ever seen a Natal Chart? I have, and I got the feeling it was more of math than anything else. It was just calculation based on formulae.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not a believer in astrology. But I've seen enough to believe it's not
complete BS. It works, at least to some degree. (and I have a habit of bringing up the "other side" of an argument and some people are annoyed by it, haha)
Quote from: Hatsamu on February 13, 2011, 08:48:40 am
QuoteI don't think we are ever going to find out about determinism vs freewill because it is outside of what humans understand.
This is true not only for this but also for almost every "meaning of life", Chaos-Theory stuff and religion debates.
There are things that we just cannot understand no matter what, we are just not able. The only options is to choose what to believe about this things.
Either choosing on believing (or not believing) as a fact something that exceeds human comprehension, its what we call "Faith".
Personally, I like Chaos Theory. Anyway, I believe in destiny; I am SURE (in Faith terms, as stated that this things can't be proved by humans) that the future is already written.
So, yeah, I don't think that coincidences are coincidential at all... a_a
Try looking up meta-cognition. If human beings are capable of that, maybe we're capable of understanding the incomprehensible.
Or maybe, it's just technically impossible for humans to think beyond a point of logic. I sure hope not.
@Kagutsuchi: Faith and belief are not BS! :O You said: "We just have to accept that, and keep living our life, accepting that we cannot know everything." That
is a form of a belief. Human beings cannot survive without beliefs. Their psyche will crumble if they start to doubt everything. That
have to believe in a set of things and live life based on those beliefs. And no one said anything about the world caring about beliefs and faith.