Is it ethically acceptable to use people you know in your games?

Started by boisei0, September 30, 2009, 02:44:59 pm

Previous topic - Next topic

winkio

I disagree, nothing has to stay with you your whole life.  Some people can retroactively exclude certain parts of their past from themselves.  There are people that decide that certain things that they have been holding onto are no longer a part of them.

Magus

Quote from: Longfellow on September 30, 2009, 11:53:48 pm
Quote from: winkio on September 30, 2009, 11:06:00 pm
Quote from: Diokatsu on September 30, 2009, 07:51:13 pm
BTW Winkio, you'd make a great school guidance councilor with advise like "Don't be a target" that really helps me figure out how I should act. *sarcasm* :p


We all had our problems, I had mine.  I dealt with mine by putting myself on equal footing with the aggressors instead of taking it.  It worked out very well.  Just because you disagree with somebody doesn't mean that their opinion is invalid.  So yeah, grow up Dio.

Back to the topic, including them in your game means that they are a part of you, as Dio said.  Do you WANT them to define you?  Just something to think about.


I just, you know, act like I'm smarter and more interesting than my "aggressors." And I end up actually being smarter and more interesting. And therefore, I win. You see, condescension is actually a very, very useful tool, you just have to know how to use it :P


win
LEVEL ME DOWN. THE ANTI-BLIZZ GROUP IS AMONG YOU... Do it for the chick below...She watches..<br />

Blizzard

I wouldn't say so, winkio. I think deep in our consciousness there are still stains from our past experiences. I personally don't let them control me, but without them I wouldn't be the person I am. I'm not talking about major things. It can be little things, irrelevant things. But those are the things that define me. Though, it is up to me to choose HOW they define me. And I won't let them define me negatively. I chose to learn from those errors and bad experiences to be a better person towards myself and towards others.
Check out Daygames and our games:

King of Booze 2      King of Booze: Never Ever
Drinking Game for Android      Never have I ever for Android
Drinking Game for iOS      Never have I ever for iOS


Quote from: winkioI do not speak to bricks, either as individuals or in wall form.

Quote from: Barney StinsonWhen I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

winkio

Blizz, I'm not doubting what you are saying about yourself.  I'm referring to a self-redefinition, which you probably have never had, because you are so focused and confident.  A self-redefinition is when someone redefines their self changes their personality and their core beliefs.  It's not something that happens very often, and it doesn't always have to be large scale, but when it is, lots of things change, including what defines you.  And in this situation, certain things that you once used to define yourself are no longer relevant.  It's not that you forget they ever happened.  They just don't matter anymore.

So, back to earlier, the more you think about something, the more you will use it to define yourself.  And by putting these guys in your game, you are letting them play a larger role in defining you than if you didn't include them.

Diokatsu

Quote from: winkio on October 01, 2009, 07:20:40 pm
You wish I was that stupid.  
I'm not an angry person, you know this.  I'm also not a stupid person, I guess you don't know this.  You can't mess with me that easily.

Maybe you don't define yourself, Dio, but others define themselves through what they do, not what what happens to them.  Vague and simple are not the same.  And yes, turning a serious topic into a joke is immaturity.

And please stop applying your own opinions to everyone else, it's an idiotic thing to do.


Well, i might as well address everything in this post. First off, I don't know you at all winkio and if I were to define you it would be "arrogant". I know full well I'm arrogant myself, also. Secondly, humor isn't a sign of immaturity. Don't know where you picked up that idea. Third, I won't speak for everyone else again, which was quite foolish of me, but you shouldn't either, especially if you intend to rebuke my claim that people are defined by other people's actions. It's my fault for making an absolute statement, but yours for doing the same thing right back at me. Fourthly, I'm not applying my opinions. I'm giving advice.

And Finally, stop attacking everything I do. If you should know anything about me it's that I'm not nearly as serious as any of you. That doesn't change the fact though that when I do get serious, my points aren't to be dismissed as immature. I'm competent and could be just as intelligent as you in these kinds of matters. You don't know if what I'm saying is from personal experience, and I don't know anything about your opinion. So stop saying I'm immature and grow up winkio. you're better than that.

winkio

Spoiler: ShowHide
Winner winner chicken dinner!  Somebody finally got it!  Yes!

Explanations:
1.  Correct, you don't know me.  All we have to go on is what comes from other people's speech and text.
2.  I'm pretty sure you figured out that dismissing others' comments with humor is not a good thing to do.
3.  I'm glad you are more aware of the danger of vast generalizations.
4.  The applying opinions to others thing went with generalizations, that you applied your opinion on how definitions worked to everyone else.

5.  I attack people to get answers that they really mean.  It's only really necessary if they are dodging questions or not taking the conversation seriously.  You have to admit, your latest post was very good.  Reverse psychology = saying you are immature to make you act more mature and involved than normal.

So yeah, points 1-4 add up to show what I thought was wrong from before.  Judging by your response, you got most of it.


The on-topicness of these threads is unfrikinbelievable.

QuoteSo, back to earlier, the more you think about something, the more you will use it to define yourself.

thoughts?

EDIT: response to Dio's magical vanishing post:
Spoiler: ShowHide
QuoteWhat?

fugibo

Quote from: winkio on October 02, 2009, 09:32:09 pm
Spoiler: ShowHide
Winner winner chicken dinner!  Somebody finally got it!  Yes!

Explanations:
1.  Correct, you don't know me.  All we have to go on is what comes from other people's speech and text.
2.  I'm pretty sure you figured out that dismissing others' comments with humor is not a good thing to do.
3.  I'm glad you are more aware of the danger of vast generalizations.
4.  The applying opinions to others thing went with generalizations, that you applied your opinion on how definitions worked to everyone else.

5.  I attack people to get answers that they really mean.  It's only really necessary if they are dodging questions or not taking the conversation seriously.  You have to admit, your latest post was very good.  Reverse psychology = saying you are immature to make you act more mature and involved than normal.

So yeah, points 1-4 add up to show what I thought was wrong from before.  Judging by your response, you got most of it.


The on-topicness of these threads is unfrikinbelievable.

QuoteSo, back to earlier, the more you think about something, the more you will use it to define yourself.

thoughts?

EDIT: response to Dio's magical vanishing post:
Spoiler: ShowHide
QuoteWhat?


I was just trying to help out with a little ad hominem... :V

Blizzard

O_o;;;

@winkio: That's well said. :)
But I did have a self-redefinition. I wasn't always confident and strong. My self-redefinition didn't happen at once, though. It took years.

@Dio: Using humor inappropriately is a sign or immaturity. Also, you walked right into winkio's "trap". It did you well, though. :P
Check out Daygames and our games:

King of Booze 2      King of Booze: Never Ever
Drinking Game for Android      Never have I ever for Android
Drinking Game for iOS      Never have I ever for iOS


Quote from: winkioI do not speak to bricks, either as individuals or in wall form.

Quote from: Barney StinsonWhen I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

Diokatsu

Wait why did my post dissappear.

And no, I didn't learn anything from winkio's post. He just reinforces my belief that he's way too arrogant. Maybe someone other than winkio can sum up what I was supposed to learn so I can stop trying to wade through the unforgiving marsh of his superiority complex.

winkio

Quote from: Diokatsu on October 02, 2009, 07:22:31 pm
Well, i might as well address everything in this post. First off, I don't know you at all winkio and if I were to define you it would be "arrogant". I know full well I'm arrogant myself, also. Secondly, humor isn't a sign of immaturity. Don't know where you picked up that idea. Third, I won't speak for everyone else again, which was quite foolish of me, but you shouldn't either, especially if you intend to rebuke my claim that people are defined by other people's actions. It's my fault for making an absolute statement, but yours for doing the same thing right back at me. Fourthly, I'm not applying my opinions. I'm giving advice.

And Finally, stop attacking everything I do. If you should know anything about me it's that I'm not nearly as serious as any of you. That doesn't change the fact though that when I do get serious, my points aren't to be dismissed as immature. I'm competent and could be just as intelligent as you in these kinds of matters. You don't know if what I'm saying is from personal experience, and I don't know anything about your opinion. So stop saying I'm immature and grow up winkio. you're better than that.


That post pretty much said it all.  You got everything (well, only halfway on the humor part, but w/e).  You directly acknowledged the solutions to the bad parts of your first post, and used a completely changed mindset.  Yes, there was a lot of other garbage in there that was just you venting anger, but you were dead on track.  You finished my argument for me. :)

And don't blame me for your disappearing post.  I saw it, but by the time I responded, it wasn't there.

BTW you should look up superiority complex, because you don't completely understand it.  That's more like someone else in this thread that dismisses whatever other people are doing like they are too good for it.  Hint: it's not Blizzard...

Fallen Angel X

Quote from: winkio on October 06, 2009, 09:56:53 pm
Hint: it's not Blizzard...


Is it me? O_O

Umm anyways, I think that it isn't ethically wrong to symbolize these people through your game as people in jail or whatnot. But if it's a direct reference to them, then I think you're supposed to have their consent, regardless of whether it's good or bad. I think unless of course you state that the reasons are strictly for satire or something of that sort (correct me if I'm wrong). But I think that only applies if it's a commercial game. Since I don't think it is, legal laws don't really apply to it as much. In terms of whether it will do you any good or not, well, I can't really answer that. I think that people have their own unique ways of venting and expressing themselves. If you think that it will help you, then by all means. But if it's going to just make you recall what they've done to you, why bother? Ultimately, I think you have to decide for yourself if it's something that you can do. But if it were me, I might include them. Just to say, "hey, this is what happens when you act this way" and to give them a sort of punishment. I think I'm the type of person who'd find solace in that sort of fantasy thinking. Just knowing that sort of thing might just let me go on.

Blizzard

@Dio: It doesn't matter who deleted your post. It's the staff's duty to delete such degrading posts especially here in ID where flaming is prohibited and punishable harder than anywhere else. Pull yourself together or stop posting if you can't handle the situation.
Check out Daygames and our games:

King of Booze 2      King of Booze: Never Ever
Drinking Game for Android      Never have I ever for Android
Drinking Game for iOS      Never have I ever for iOS


Quote from: winkioI do not speak to bricks, either as individuals or in wall form.

Quote from: Barney StinsonWhen I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

Fallen Angel X

I hate to say it, but you guys have completely gone off-topic. Please say something relevant, and if not, settle it peacefully via pm.

Like I said earlier, it's okay to symbolize people in your game. Like, you can have these kids as prison guys, but it is not acceptable to directly reference them. I think that if you do that, you're liable to get sued by them, or you can get into even more trouble if they somehow found out. As for not including them because you're "above" that.. I'd have to disagree. You can easily use them as a way of conveying a message to the players that if you act this way, you'll end up like that. It all depends on how you interpret it, I think.

Magus

Quote from: Fallen Angel X on October 07, 2009, 02:42:24 pm
I hate to say it, but you guys have completely gone off-topic. Please say something relevant, and if not, settle it peacefully via pm.

Like I said earlier, it's okay to symbolize people in your game. Like, you can have these kids as prison guys, but it is not acceptable to directly reference them. I think that if you do that, you're liable to get sued by them, or you can get into even more trouble if they somehow found out. As for not including them because you're "above" that.. I'd have to disagree. You can easily use them as a way of conveying a message to the players that if you act this way, you'll end up like that. It all depends on how you interpret it, I think.

hehe, suing for putting them in an rpg maker game, USING first and last names. D:
I would watch that case on tv. (which would probably end up showing on g4)
LEVEL ME DOWN. THE ANTI-BLIZZ GROUP IS AMONG YOU... Do it for the chick below...She watches..<br />

Blizzard

If you put a disclaimer that every similarity with real people is just a coincidence, you can get away unpunished. :P
Check out Daygames and our games:

King of Booze 2      King of Booze: Never Ever
Drinking Game for Android      Never have I ever for Android
Drinking Game for iOS      Never have I ever for iOS


Quote from: winkioI do not speak to bricks, either as individuals or in wall form.

Quote from: Barney StinsonWhen I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.

Fallen Angel X

Yes, but if they were to find out in any way, they may choose to retalliate. Of course, that only applies if your game isn't distributed at all. Even if you share it with your friends, there is that possibility that those people will find out. That's why a direct reference isn't very good.

Starrodkirby86

Can't you just have some person extremely similar to that fellow and all that's changed is the name? If those guys don't have rocks for brains, they'll never realize it's a reference pointing to them (Unless there's some direct reference). I mean, copying personality traits is one thing (That's acceptable ?), but copying things that are truly unique and special (Names for example) on that individual might be troublesome.

What's osu!? It's a rhythm game. Thought I should have a signature with a working rank. ;P It's now clickable!
Still Aqua's biggest fan (Or am I?).




fugibo

Quote from: Fallen Angel X on October 06, 2009, 10:35:33 pm
Quote from: winkio on October 06, 2009, 09:56:53 pm
Hint: it's not Blizzard...


Is it me? O_O

Umm anyways, I think that it isn't ethically wrong to symbolize these people through your game as people in jail or whatnot. But if it's a direct reference to them, then I think you're supposed to have their consent, regardless of whether it's good or bad. I think unless of course you state that the reasons are strictly for satire or something of that sort (correct me if I'm wrong). But I think that only applies if it's a commercial game. Since I don't think it is, legal laws don't really apply to it as much. In terms of whether it will do you any good or not, well, I can't really answer that. I think that people have their own unique ways of venting and expressing themselves. If you think that it will help you, then by all means. But if it's going to just make you recall what they've done to you, why bother? Ultimately, I think you have to decide for yourself if it's something that you can do. But if it were me, I might include them. Just to say, "hey, this is what happens when you act this way" and to give them a sort of punishment. I think I'm the type of person who'd find solace in that sort of fantasy thinking. Just knowing that sort of thing might just let me go on.


Me, obviously. I mean, my entire on-topic post in this thread was "I'm better than others." That screams superiority complex, whether I have on or not.