Quote from: edwardthefma on May 17, 2009, 04:35:58 pm
ant that is sapoused to be helpful how ?
When citizens can't spell conjunctions.
when in 2009 u still dont have internet. :<_<:
Quote from: impulszero on May 17, 2009, 08:56:24 pm
when in 2009 u still dont have internet. :<_<:
Is someone suggesting that their country sucks? :V:
is someone alive here? I only see death...
When during elections you have to vote for the least thief.
Quote from: Rival Blizzard on May 18, 2009, 05:39:15 am
When during elections you have to vote for the least thief.
QFT
We had to pick between an old crazy guy and an idiotic, inexperienced young guy. I don't see how we possibly could've succeeded. Independent Party FTW!
When you have to pay for every medication even though you have a health insurance. ._.
when you realize your lucky to only be killed by a knife to the heart.
When you bathe in beer
@Elite Four Starrodkirby86: yes. My country sucks big time. it's 2009, and in my village still dont exist bether stuff then dial-up (i sworn not to use it ever again). No, no, my country is ok. ppl that lead that country sucks.They steal and lie. Make pplfight each other
>:( if i get a chance i shall **** them >:D
but puthing that aside :^_^':
when justice is just a word ( in my country justice is whore )
Quote from: impulszero on May 18, 2009, 05:18:02 pm
if i get a chance i shall **** them :naughty:
He forgot something in there
This is turning into a forum game X_e
trudat
When you have to pay for going to school.
America does that, too!
Except for people on welfare!
See?! My point exactly! :O
Heather, what are you plotting?
You know want owns, though? Having less of an accent than almost every other Mississippian in the world 8)
Accents are relative. like good and evil. or tastes.
When people hate socialism because it sounds bad.
Quote from: Diokatsu on May 19, 2009, 10:57:35 pm
When people hate socialism because it sounds bad.
I don't hate Socialism itself, just Socialism in
America, which happens to be the dumbest idea ever. We DEFINE modern capitalism (or at least, we
did).
When you get arrested for streaking in public.
:roll:
I think somebody HAD to have screwd your mom in order for you to exist, though...
Quote from: UltaFlame on May 19, 2009, 11:09:27 pm
I think somebody HAD to have screwd your mom in order for you to exist, though...
There's always in vitro.
nah, not for anyone here. that always just produces people I wouldn't hang out with. online or RL.
just 0_0
and what about impulszero?
Heather? Heather is a bloody heathen.
No, Heather is a schizo-anorexio-idiot that I know IRL. She should die sometime soon. Maybe. I dunno. I'll pay if you do it.
:V
Heather is a member of this forum.
Oh, wrong thread! Sorry.
Carry on.
I work with a Heather IRL. She isn't anorexic though. She is actually FAR from it
When you realize that you have to order something of advanced technology like a wireless X-Box controller.
Quote from: Blizzard on May 20, 2009, 10:06:14 am
When you realize that you have to order something of advanced technology like a wireless X-Box controller.
As in, go online for it? I would prolly have to as well, my city's incredibly low-tech
Yeah, but in my country you have to do that even though you are in the capital city which is also the biggest city in the country. ._.
And I meant as in "you can't buy it in shops, you have to order it specifically".
Makes you feel special that one lives in a Developed Country...
Though it'd be pretty cool to check out what other areas are going on, you know? Such as yes, what you guys have been talking about as of late. ;3
Quote from: WcW on May 20, 2009, 11:09:02 am
Quote from: Blizzard on May 20, 2009, 10:06:14 am
When you realize that you have to order something of advanced technology like a wireless X-Box controller.
As in, go online for it? I would prolly have to as well, my city's incredibly low-tech
HICK.
Yeah, I know. But it's not that bad. People here have HDTV and they have ADSL internet connections. It's not low-tech like WcW's city, but something like a wireless X-Box controller is quite exotic since most people here don't have consoles except maybe a PS2 or a PS3 since PS was always the most popular here. I mean, heck, my college has a 54Mbit wireless connection to the internet all over the place.
@GAX: Well, yeah. We're not that much of a backwater. It's just that some stuff here's missing. It's usually stuff that's completely normal in actually developed countries. The main problem is the country's poverty, not the technological aspect.
We have 2 HDTVs, a Wii, a PS2, and a MacBook (would have more cool computers, but all our money goes into stupid crap like my dad's hunting stuff), surround sound, cable, DSL, etc. We're not "low-tech" in my house. But the general area is full of computer-illiterates and generally crappy technology (apparently a PII is "advanced" here, because 300mhz makes you a very lucky person).
when you post a useless topic like this one cuz ur country bores you that much.
Quote from: WcW on May 19, 2009, 11:18:25 pm
just 0_0
and what about impulszero?
:???: what about me?
your name. it is Heather.
Quote from: UltaFlame on May 21, 2009, 11:12:46 pm
your name. it is Heather.
nm :<_<:
ontopic: When they force u to pay something u did't/dont use.
Like car insurance :V?
Quote from: WcW on May 22, 2009, 11:31:26 am
Like car insurance :V?
dont know about that but:
-in my country,i must pay tv chanal that i dont even wach. It's sucks
-when i enter the bus station i actually have to pay for entering even i have monthly ticket for bus it self. By the law it only pays when itd leaveing city region, but i have pay it anyway, or they wont let me pass :<_<:
when the police force has to have a total queue of stops or they get fired.
when ppl hate other ppl for no reason (by this definition every country sucks :haha:)
When the package your should receive is at a branch office of the express service that is far away from your location rather than being at one that is closer. ._.
Quote from: WcW on May 21, 2009, 12:52:00 am
We have 2 HDTVs, a Wii, a PS2, and a MacBook (would have more cool computers, but all our money goes into stupid crap like my dad's hunting stuff), surround sound, cable, DSL, etc. We're not "low-tech" in my house. But the general area is full of computer-illiterates and generally crappy technology (apparently a PII is "advanced" here, because 300mhz makes you a very lucky person).
I have a nice TV and an old PS2. We got a new computer for Christmas and I use this ancient one in my room. Screw you.
When people don't realize the dangers of wealth and concrete goals.
when still exist places that have puls dial (old exchange line or however is right expression for that)
When people like to troll in real life.
You're pretty close to a troll, you know. >_< And Ubuntu runs great on old PCs, so there ya go. (unless its Kubuntu, which was pretty heavy the last time I used it)
Oh, yeah. On topic. I nearly swore I was living in Fahrenheit 451 today in the commons.
when your leader didn't even take federally required tests.
Quote from: WcW on May 28, 2009, 08:25:51 pm
You're pretty close to a troll, you know. >_< And Ubuntu runs great on old PCs, so there ya go. (unless its Kubuntu, which was pretty heavy the last time I used it)
Oh, yeah. On topic. I nearly swore I was living in Fahrenheit 451 today in the commons.
I AM a troll, thank you very much.
When a guy from Croatia can make a superior forum than you. :V:
When gas prices get jacked up over 4.00$ per gallon ;__;
when you cant even afford to think for fear of your life.
When your country is as smaller than an us state divined by 100
and then split into two different languages speaking people who hate each other
Belgium sucks(especially the south part :P )
Quote from: UltaFlame on May 28, 2009, 09:21:38 pm
when you cant even afford to think for fear of your life.
That's not allowed, you don't live in that country. Well, you might be, but I doubt you'd have a free expression there, so this forum would be a no-no.
when rules are unstated, but supposed to be known anyway.
Quote from: UltaFlame on June 01, 2009, 09:20:37 pm
when rules are unstated, but supposed to be known anyway.
Like, "threatening to rape people is bad?" :V
When a 24 hours delivery takes a week.
When you're president has alot of duties!
XD LMAO
when people don't get basic humour. or hate children. WHY HATE CHILDREN?!
Obama fails. Epically. I hate him. He shouldn't be running America; instead, he should throw darts at Europe and pick one of the Socialist countries there.
Quote from: WcW on June 10, 2009, 01:50:38 pm
Obama fails. Epically. I hate him. He shouldn't be running America; instead, he should throw darts at Europe and pick one of the Socialist countries there.
Lol. I can't even think of what might happen if an actual Socialist went and became president. Most everyone like you would be trying to crucify him.
Quote from: Diokatsu on June 10, 2009, 01:56:05 pm
Quote from: WcW on June 10, 2009, 01:50:38 pm
Obama fails. Epically. I hate him. He shouldn't be running America; instead, he should throw darts at Europe and pick one of the Socialist countries there.
Lol. I can't even think of what might happen if an actual Socialist went and became president. Most everyone like you would be trying to crucify him.
It's not them I'm anti-Socialism, I'm just anti-"Let's all go crazy and abandon 233 years of precedents,
yeah!"
When you can't put a retard into Special Ed >.>
(I'm in special ed FTW....Anger issues FUsee? you guys are the bitc--best...)
What the fuck; way to necro.
When your president doesn't call Kanye West a jackass. We have a cool president guys.
Yes we do dio, yes we do
Oh and to tazero's thing
When your country tries to put you in speciel needs class when you dont need to be *goes back to 2nd grade memory*
Quote from: Diokatsu on September 24, 2009, 11:09:43 pm
What the fuck; way to necro.
When your president doesn't call Kanye West a jackass. We have a cool president guys.
*slaps again*
Also, if the logic of the local African-Americans serves true, Kanye West deserves to be President, too!
When your country has the maple leafs as a hockey team ._.
oh the irony of some of these posts. Guess which ones though. XD :sos: <-- I read that as oshi help!
... America is a breeding ground for mouth breathing idiots. I always knew it but, I didn't actually know it until this election. Jeez... America... I understand being proud of your country but, there is a huge difference between pride and arrogance.
*When you think that a floating imaginary god takes priority over real, live people.. you're idiots. You and your country sucks.
*When you think that you only need to know one language because your country speaks that one language and everyone else needs to speak that language to count them as some form of human. You and your country sucks
*Whenever you go to some other place and call the prospering race there "minorities". You and your country sucks.
*Whenever you think that just because you belong to one country every other country is inferior and benign. You and your country sucks.
*If you had elected Bush for 8 years and didn't know that he was poison in the well, however.. you think that health insurance is the rise of the illuminati.. Kill yourself.. your country doesn't suck, but you are basically an unnecessary weight on society. I'm not joking, you think I'm kidding. I get it, usually I kid around like that.. no.. kill yourself. Do it now. Die.
*Are you dead yet?
*Do it, damnit..
*When you think that evolution isn't valid because it wasn't in the bible.. see the three points above.
*If you take someone like me seriously (besides this post) and think that anything I say is to be taken seriously. If you think that I, myself, am not a parody of my environment... You're probably a reasonable human being. Even I believe me sometimes. . still I hate you, die.
*If you are not me..
*If FOX News exists in your country and people don't know how corrupted it is because every other media outlet is a bit corrupt. . yet, you think the government is trying to silence free speech even after a "news" channel fear mongered until some batshit insane guys went out and murdered people. You are an idiot. Just you.
In fact screw this, America may not completely suck but DAMN it has some fucktarded people. I didn't notice it until 1-20-09 though. I believe the I.Q. of this country is just going to gradually drop.. and by 2012 it'll be at the point where the tea baggers are just walking around drooling.. or hey maybe John Titor would have been right and it'll be a complete civil war. When someone brings a friggin rifle to the presidents speech and act like there HAVENT been any significant assassinations EVER in US history. . You can take your 2nd amendment and shove it up your ass.. jeeeez.
JEEEZ!!!!!! FUCCCCCCCCCCCCK! *bangs head on desk*
I'm telling you I'm going to move to the UK or Korea or something.
Sadly I have to agree with all that you sad. Some of it isn't only valid for America like the stupid self-proclaimed nationalists (read: almost fascists) in my country. Geez, it's so annoying to watch these people be so proud of nothing.
Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 07:02:18 am
Sadly I have to agree with all that you sad. Some of it isn't only valid for America like the stupid self-proclaimed nationalists (read: almost fascists) in my country. Geez, it's so annoying to watch these people be so proud of nothing.
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have
nothing to be proud of.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 08:36:44 am
Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 07:02:18 am
Sadly I have to agree with all that you sad. Some of it isn't only valid for America like the stupid self-proclaimed nationalists (read: almost fascists) in my country. Geez, it's so annoying to watch these people be so proud of nothing.
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have nothing to be proud of.
they do.... they not Americans XD
Quote from: impulszero on October 10, 2009, 10:50:09 am
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 08:36:44 am
Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 07:02:18 am
Sadly I have to agree with all that you sad. Some of it isn't only valid for America like the stupid self-proclaimed nationalists (read: almost fascists) in my country. Geez, it's so annoying to watch these people be so proud of nothing.
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have nothing to be proud of.
they do.... they not Americans XD
I'm not saying we're very much better, but at least we have strong industry and the vestiges of a decent education system. =/
Thank goodness for rising college attendance rates, and the US college system being the most badass thing ever. Yeah, there's still a lot of idiots that go to college and graduate, but there's a lot more people who are intelligent and can contribute to society.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 08:36:44 am
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have nothing to be proud of.
I'm sorry, but 100% of North American countries have
nothing to be proud of. Seriously, you're so deep stuck up your ass that you forget a few things. Come back down to Earth.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 11:40:24 am
and the vestiges of a decent education system. =/
You poor deluded boy, you don't even know how much the American educational system sucks (relatively speaking and not referring to colleges).
Quote from: winkio on October 10, 2009, 12:25:23 pm
Thank goodness for rising college attendance rates, and the US college system being the most badass thing ever. Yeah, there's still a lot of idiots that go to college and graduate, but there's a lot more people who are intelligent and can contribute to society.
You're probably right, but people graduating doesn't make the system good. Also, did you forget that one idiot can easily destroy in one moment what millions on intelligent people have built up in years? ._.
Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 03:40:34 pm
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 08:36:44 am
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have nothing to be proud of.
I'm sorry, but 100% of North American countries have nothing to be proud of. Seriously, you're so deep stuck up your ass that you forget a few things. Come back down to Earth.
Go Canada go? O_O Seriously? Even Canada?! D: We love peace and stuff ._. And I'm proud of our healthcare system >_<
Of course not. I just wanted to get back at him for being so obnoxious. I should have said the U.S., but the U.S. aren't a continent. ._.
the US has its problems, no denying that, but we lead in so many areas of the professional world that it's not even funny. And that is something to be proud of.
Also, something North America has that Europe doesn't: diversity and unity together.
I never said that you aren't. All I'm saying is that LF was acting like a prick underestimating Europe. "99% of European countries", that isn't even one full country. I can't stand people with an asshole attitude like that. I know that my country is pretty much screwed up and I have no problem admitting or saying that. But it's my country and I have a right to complain. LF has no right to speak bad of my country without knowing the facts, especially not about an entire continent. We all know that a war between Europe and the U.S. would end nasty for both sides meaning Europe is not something to be underestimated regardless of the numerous crappy countries here.
LF, you're an ass.
QuoteLF, you're an ass.
agreed
<3
Wow, someone doesn't bother to learn words like "vestiges" before interpreting them to mean totally different things. "Vestige." As in, we used to not suck, but now we epic fail. And last time I checked, you weren't a major world power.
(is sick and only skimmed replies)
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 06:17:44 pm
only skimmed replies
Then go back and read them properly because you just made an even bigger idiot out of yourself.
Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 06:21:59 pm
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 06:17:44 pm
only skimmed replies
Then go back and read them properly because you just made an even bigger idiot out of yourself.
Ah, crap. I just realized Germany dethrones my entire point, except for the part where their nationalism has worn off and they actually see their past actions for what they were.
...dangit.
Quote from: winkio on October 10, 2009, 04:18:20 pm
the US has its problems, no denying that, but we lead in so many areas of the professional world that it's not even funny. And that is something to be proud of.
Also, something North America has that Europe doesn't: diversity and unity together.
Seriously? What America have you been living in.
Go visit any southwestern European country such as Spain or Italy. Gypsies there are treated like criminals. Spain has a bunch of divisions, one of which forms the Basque terrorist group up north. Europe has a lot of anti-diversity movements on it's record. The KKK are pussies compared to what some people in Europe do.
Sadly I have to agree. But the situation is different as well. i.e. Gypsies keep to themselves. They don't even want to be accepted or w/e. It's simply a different situation. In the U.S. black people want to be treated the same way like everybody else. That's not the case with gypsies.
yeah, I know, different situation. That is my point.
Also, the US has geographic diversity, which is really important. How many European countries have tropical islands, polar area, mountains, deserts, forests, plains, and tons of coastline? North America has 3 large countries, Asia has 2: India and China (not counting Russia). Europe and Africa have 0.
It depends on where you put Russia. xD
It's true that there is no large country in Europe, but it's not all about size.
Russia isn't a unified nation anymore, so I'm not putting it anywhere.
Yeah.. lets see in Spain its Gypsies
in the U.S. its gay people... your point?
Thanks to P.C. its not so much minorities (fucked up name for non-whites.. but whatever.) but, there are times that someones fucks up.
Example:
Mix race couple shot because .. they were a mix race couple (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-teo/mixed-race-couple-confron_b_308842.html)
15 year old kid killed because he was... gay (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/us/23oxnard.html)
Asian killed because.. asian (http://www.racewire.org/archives/2009/06/david_kaos_murder_shows_antias.html)
Even anti white hate crimes (http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/07/ohio-anti-white-hate-crime.html)
The Uniform Crime Reporting Program collects data about both single-bias and multiple-bias hate crimes. For each offense type reported, law enforcement must indicate at least one bias motivation. A single-bias incident is defined as an incident in which one or more offense types are motivated by the same bias. A multiple-bias incident is defined as an incident in which more than one offense type occurs and at least two offense types are motivated by different biases.
* In 2007, 2,025 law enforcement agencies reported 7,624 hate crime incidents involving 9,006 offenses.
* There were 7,621 single-bias incidents that involved 8,999 offenses, 9,527 victims, and 6,962 offenders.
* The 3 multiple-bias incidents reported in 2007 involved 7 offenses, 8 victims, and 3 known offenders. (See Tables 1 and 12.)
Single-bias incidents
An analysis of the 7,621 single-bias incidents reported in 2007 revealed the following:
* 50.8 percent were racially motivated.
* 18.4 percent were motivated by religious bias.
* 16.6 percent resulted from sexual-orientation bias.
* 13.2 percent stemmed from ethnicity/national origin bias.
* 1.0 percent were prompted by disability bias. (Based on Table 1.)
Offenses by bias motivation within incidents
Of the 8,999 single-bias hate crime offenses reported in the above incidents:
* 52.5 percent stemmed from racial bias.
* 16.4 percent resulted from religious bias.
* 16.2 percent were motivated by sexual-orientation bias.
* 14.0 percent were prompted by ethnicity/national origin bias.
* 0.9 percent resulted from biases against disabilities. (Based on Table 1.)
Racial bias
In 2007, law enforcement agencies reported that 4,724 single-bias hate crime offenses were racially motivated. Of these offenses:
* 69.3 percent were motivated by anti-black bias.
* 18.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
* 6.0 percent were a result of bias against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group).
* 4.6 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
* 1.6 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias. (Based on Table 1.)
Religious bias
Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,477 offenses reported by law enforcement. A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:
* 68.4 percent were anti-Jewish.
* 9.5 percent were anti-other religion.
* 9.0 percent were anti-Islamic.
* 4.4 percent were anti-Catholic.
* 4.3 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
* 4.0 percent were anti-Protestant.
* 0.4 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc. (Based on Table 1.)
Sexual-orientation bias
In 2007, law enforcement agencies reported 1,460 hate crime offenses based on sexual-orientation bias. Of these offenses:
* 59.2 percent were classified as anti-male homosexual bias.
* 24.8 percent were reported as anti-homosexual bias.
* 12.6 percent were prompted by an anti-female homosexual bias.
* 1.8 percent were the result of an anti-heterosexual bias.
* 1.6 percent were classified as anti-bisexual bias. (Based on Table 1.)
Ethnicity/national origin bias
Of the single-bias incidents, 1,256 offenses were committed based on the perceived ethnicity or national origin of the victim. Of these offenses:
* 61.7 percent were anti-Hispanic bias.
* 38.3 percent were anti-other ethnicity/national origin bias. (Based on Table 1.)
Disability bias
There were 82 reported hate crime offenses committed based on disability bias. Of these:
* 62 offenses were classified as anti-mental disability.
* 20 offenses were reported as anti-physical disability. (See Table 1.)
By offense types
Of the 9,006 reported hate crime offenses in 2007:
* 32.4 percent were destruction/damage/vandalism.
* 28.5 percent were intimidation.
* 18.7 percent were simple assault.
* 12.4 percent were aggravated assault.
* 8.1 percent were comprised of additional crimes against persons, property, and society. (Based on Table 2.)
Offenses by crime category
Among the 9,006 hate crime offenses reported:
* 60.0 percent were crimes against persons.
* 39.7 percent were crimes against property.
* The remainder were crimes against society. (Based on Table 2.) (See Data Collection in Methodology.)
Crimes against persons
Law enforcement reported 5,408 hate crime offenses as crimes against persons. By offense type:
* 47.4 percent were intimidation.
* 31.1 percent were simple assault.
* 20.6 percent were aggravated assault.
* 0.2 percent consisted of 9 murders and 2 forcible rapes.
* 0.6 percent involved the offense category other, which is collected only in the National Incident-Based Reporting System. (Based on Table 2.)
Crimes against property
* The majority of the 3,579 hate crime offenses that were crimes against property (81.4 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism.
* The remaining 18.6 percent of crimes against property consisted of robbery, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and other crimes. (Based on Table 2.)
Crimes against society
Nineteen offenses were crimes against society (e.g., drug or narcotic offenses or prostitution).
By victim type
When considering the type of victims among property crimes:
* 53.7 percent were directed at individuals.
* 11.5 percent were against businesses or financial institutions.
* 7.4 percent were against government.
* 6.8 percent were against religious organizations.
* The remaining 20.6 percent were directed at other, multiple, or unknown victim types. (Based on Table 6.)
If we are in unity, I hate to see us hate each other. We're in NO place to look down on any country saying we're living in unity and crap like that. Need I remind you nationalists exists ... well period.. You can't escape stupid no matter how hard you try. You might not be able to walk out into hatred.. but need I remind you that this unity you speak of conflicts with America period?
When you turn on the T.V. people openly and free express their hatred for gays. They are allowed to deny gay people rights. They are allowed to compare them with pedophiles, necrophiles, and things of that nature (and it pisses me off). Gay people are going through what non-whites went through in the past. Sure they can sit in front of the bus, but as soon as someone says their gay they better watch their ass. (I couldn't resist.) You can't serve in the army while gay, you can't marry while gay.. in some states.
Of course, other people that aren't gay ignore hate crimes that happens frequently in the U.S. however they can't ignore the gays themselves (A storm is coming, anyone?)
Hate crimes will always exist, I don't give a flying fuck about that.. however, when someone can openly discriminate against gays.. that's when I get pissed off. It annoys me more that someone could say "Well, there is unity in the U.S." PFFT! Since when? Our second amendment is "The right to bare arms." Which means, yeah we have freedom to do alot of crap, but.. we don't have unity by far.
Canada is pretty multicultural, imo. We accept gays too. Course, you're right, there always will be hate crimes. There's a lot of things that suck about my country too, though. For example, the whole debate where Quebec should or shouldn't split from Canada. And how there are extremist Quebec people ._. Though, it can't really be helped.
Quote from: Fallen Angel X on October 11, 2009, 01:45:08 pm
Canada is pretty multicultural, imo. We accept gays too. Course, you're right, there always will be hate crimes. There's a lot of things that suck about my country too, though. For example, the whole debate where Quebec should or shouldn't split from Canada. And how there are extremist Quebec people ._. Though, it can't really be helped.
In America it's Texas.
Rose, I'm not saying that it's all bunnies and rainbows in the US. I'm saying that we can all live together and make it work in general. Sure, there are hate crimes, but it's child's play compared to what goes on elsewhere:
The Basque terrorists in Spain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks)
I'm not saying what happens in the US is okay, but compared to Europe, we are doing a lot better. The only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US. We have laws against hate crimes, while some European countries don't. We never have mass genocides.
All I'm saying is that the US is nowhere near perfectly unified, but they are much better than Europe.
Quote from: winkio on October 11, 2009, 02:06:16 pm
Rose, I'm not saying that it's all bunnies and rainbows in the US. I'm saying that we can all live together and make it work in general. Sure, there are hate crimes, but it's child's play compared to what goes on elsewhere:
The Basque terrorists in Spain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks)
I'm not saying what happens in the US is okay, but compared to Europe, we are doing a lot better. The only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US. We have laws against hate crimes, while some European countries don't. We never have mass genocides.
All I'm saying is that the US is nowhere near perfectly unified, but they are much better than Europe.
Oooh I like this Game!
1920
Sept. 16, New York City: TNT bomb planted in unattended horse-drawn wagon exploded on Wall Street opposite House of Morgan, killing 35 people and injuring hundreds more. Bolshevist or anarchist terrorists believed responsible, but crime never solved.
1975
Jan. 24, New York City: bomb set off in historic Fraunces Tavern killed 4 and injured more than 50 people. Puerto Rican nationalist group (FALN) claimed responsibility, and police tied 13 other bombings to the group.
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html
Terrorist organizations
Animal Liberation Front
Main article: Animal Liberation Front
Animal Liberation Front (ALF) is a name used internationally by activists who engage in direct action tactics on behalf of animals. This includes removing animals from laboratories and fur farms, and sabotaging facilities involved in animal testing and other animal-based industries. According to ALF statements, any act that furthers the cause of animal liberation, where all reasonable precautions are taken not to endanger life, may be claimed as an ALF action. The group is listed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security as a domestic terrorist organization.
Army of God (USA)
The Army of God (AOG) is a loose network of individuals and groups connected by ideological affinity and the determination to use force to end abortion in the United States.
Acts of anti-abortion violence increased in the mid-1990s culminating in a series of bombings by Eric Robert Rudolph, whose targets included two abortion clinics, a gay and lesbian night club, and the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. Letters sent to newspapers claim responsibility for the bombing of the abortion clinics in the name of the Army of God.
Black Liberation Army
A splinter group made up of the more radical members of the Black Panther Party, the Black Liberation Army (BLA) sought to overthrow the US government in the name of racial separatism and Marxist ideals. The Fraternal Order of Police blames the BLA for the
murders of 13 police officers. According to a Justice Department report on BLA activity,
the group was suspected of involvement in over 60 incidents of violence between 1970 and 1980.Jewish Defense League
The Jewish Defense League (JDL) was founded in 1969 by Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City, with its declared purpose the protection of Jews from harassment and antisemitism. FBI statistics show that, from 1980 to 1985,
15 terrorist attacks were attempted in the U.S. by JDL members. The FBI's Mary Doran described the JDL in 2004 Congressional testimony as "a proscribed terrorist group". The National Consortium for the Study of Terror and Responses to Terrorism states that, during the JDL's first two decades of activity, it was an "active terrorist organization." Kahane later founded the far right Israeli political party Kach. The JDL's website currently condemns all forms of terrorism.
Ku Klux Klan
From Reconstruction at the end of the civil war to the end of the civil rights movement, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK)
used threats, violence, arson, and murder to further its white-supremacist, anti-Communist, anti-semitic and anti-Catholic agenda. Domestic terrorists with agendas similar to the KKK include neo-Nazis and white power skinheads.Symbionese Liberation Army
The Symbionese Liberation Army (SLA) was an American self-styled, far left "urban guerrilla warfare group" that considered itself a revolutionary vanguard army.
The group committed bank robberies, two murders, and other acts of violence between 1973 and 1975. Among their most notorious acts was the kidnapping and brainwashing of newspaper heiress Patty Hearst. Weathermen
The Weather Underground Organization was a far left organization active from 1969 to 1975. It originated in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) composed for the most part of the national office leadership of SDS and their supporters. The group collapsed shortly after the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam in 1975.
Notable attacks associated with domestic terrorism
Bombing of Los Angeles Times building
The bombing of the Los Angeles Times on October 1, 1910, which killed 21 people. The brains of this crime were the McNamara brothers (James and John McNamara), two Irish-American brothers who wanted to unionize the paper. The McNamaras became a cause celebre amongst the labor movement in the United States, though their support eroded when they admitted their guilt.
Wall Street bombing
The Wall Street bombing was a terrorist incident that occurred on September 16, 1920, in the Financial District of New York City. A horse-drawn wagon filled with 100 pounds (45 kg) of dynamite was stationed across the street from the headquarters of the J.P. Morgan Inc. bank. The explosion killed 38 and injured 400. Even though no one was found guilty, it is believed that the act was carried out by followers of Luigi Galleani.
Unabomber attacks
From 1978 to 1995, neo-luddite radical and former mathematics professor Theodore "Ted" Kaczynski - known by the codename "UNABOM" until his identification and arrest by the FBI - carried out a campaign of sending letterbombs to academics and various individuals particularly associated with modern technology. In 1996, his manifesto was published in The New York Times and the Washington Post, under the threat of more attacks. The bomb campaign ended with his capture.
Oklahoma City bombing
This truck bomb attack by right-wing extremists Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols killed 168 people - the deadliest domestic-based terrorist attack in US history and, before the September 11, 2001 attacks, the deadliest act of terrorism in US history. It inspired improvements to United States federal building security.
Centennial Olympic Park bombing
The Centennial Olympic Park bombing was a terrorist bombing on July 27, 1996 in Atlanta, Georgia, United States during the 1996 Summer Olympics, the first of four committed by Eric Robert Rudolph, former explosives expert for the United States Army. Two people died, and 111 were injured.
2001 anthrax attacks
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on September 18, 2001. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two Democratic U.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others. In mid-2008, the FBI narrowed its focus to Bruce Edwards Ivins, a scientist who worked at the government's biodefense labs at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Maryland. Ivins was told of the impending prosecution and on July 27 committed suicide, by an overdose of acetaminophen.
Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting
An elderly man with believed ties to neo-Nazi groups opened fire on June 10th, 2009 at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, killing one guard. James W. Von Brunn, 88, who hails from Maryland, reportedly entered the museum shortly before 1 p.m. EDT, took out what appeared to be a rifle and fired at a security guard. Two other security guards returned fire, striking the shooter, according to reports.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States
.. also that's of course is just -organized- terrorism.
If I pull out the assassinations and crimes done by things like gangs, mafia, and etc. We'll see that whole concept of "unity" collapse.
You know things like...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_people#United_States
I mean no, we do have tons of diversity in the good old U.S. of A. but that also includes diversity amongst criminals. It's not just a racial thing in the U.S., in the United States we're assholes. We're a group of assholes put together with other assholes and told to sit and stay quite. Of course there are dicks in the mix, and occasionally a dick will pop up and make everyone feel uncomfortable. The assholes will stir up shit and of course pussies like you will go "No, no.. everything is fine. Diversity and Unity Guys". Everything isn't okay. We're fucking America. If we aren't at war with someone we're at war with ourselves.. we're always at war with ourselves. Right now somewhere in America some poor motherfucker is getting his ass kicked, another motherfucker is being killed.. we're so desensitized to the "unity" that we say "Nah, everything is fine"
It would be fine, if, we didn't go acting like we're better than other places because "Damnit, we're America". That is arrogance, and damnit we shouldn't go around being douchebags. I hate this crap. Someone from America bad mouths some other country, and someone from another country bad mouths America.. and HOW AM I GOING TO REALIZE MY DREAM OF HAVING SEX WITH ONE GIRL FROM EVERY COUNTRY IF WE ALL HATE EACH OTHER?! GET IT TOGETHER! MY SEX FANTASY IS BEING CRUSHED BECAUSE OF YOU (andthefactthatimanantisocialjerk..mostlythat...). v.v If you don't like each other, I won't get laid.. well I will, but.. I just noticed how pointless talking about "unity" in a CP forum is.. haha..AHAHAHA.. =/ what a waste of time.
right, and the fundamental attitude in the US is totally different than in Europe. In Europe, every single nationality wants there own country and their own government. In the US, completely different ethnic communities merge. Stop trying to warp what I'm saying.
But by definition that isn't unity. That's just not wanting to be independent because you belong to a specific ethnic group. Also, may I remind you that the U.S. does consist out of over 50 actual states. Sure, there is a common government for all together, but every state has its own laws and government. The E.U. isn't really far from that. It's mainly missing one common government and some other details to be quite similar to the U.S..
Quote from: winkio on October 11, 2009, 05:50:17 pm
right, and the fundamental attitude in the US is totally different than in Europe. In Europe, every single nationality wants there own country and their own government. In the US, completely different ethnic communities merge. Stop trying to warp what I'm saying.
Where have you been the last year?
What do you think the tea parties were for?
It really annoys me when people from Europe does that to America, and it annoys me when people from America bad mouths Europe. Cut it out, you don't live there. It is totally douchey of your to say stuff about Europe even though you don't live there. Man, I'm such a bleeding heart liberal..
I'm saying Europe is organized differently than America. And based on the progressive view of society defined by America, that makes our organization better. You are always looking for a conflict, but never listen to what anyone has to say.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 08:36:44 am
Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 07:02:18 am
Sadly I have to agree with all that you sad. Some of it isn't only valid for America like the stupid self-proclaimed nationalists (read: almost fascists) in my country. Geez, it's so annoying to watch these people be so proud of nothing.
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have nothing to be proud of.
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the US has its problems, no denying that, but we lead in so many areas of the professional world that it's not even funny. And that is something to be proud of.
Also, something North America has that Europe doesn't: diversity and unity together.
You're not allowed to change your statement. You joined LF's side and I'll treat you (in this thread) as I would LF. As someone that says douchey stuff all the time (of course, you're still cool outside this thread). Just I have to take a stand with my opinion as you yours. As long as our opinions differ there will be heads locked.
No, LF said that 99% of European countries had nothing to be proud of. I disagree with that.
Blizz retorted that 100% of American countries had nothing to be proud of. That was what I disagreed with and why I said what I said.
I still stand by what I said, but I am talking about a static diversity and unity, while you are focused on the dynamic happenings that are related to diversity and unity.
Quote from: winkio on October 11, 2009, 08:15:51 pm
No, LF said that 99% of European countries had nothing to be proud of. I disagree with that.
Blizz retorted that 100% of American countries had nothing to be proud of. That was what I disagreed with and why I said what I said.
I still stand by what I said, but I am talking about a static diversity and unity, while you are focused on the dynamic happenings that are related to diversity and unity.
You don't understand how much I dislike WcW though. I see what you're saying but, I'm not going to give him the satisfaction of agreeing with him even slightly.. and you came to his defense by saying that to Blizzard.
*Mumble*
Yes America is more diverse than Europe. I always agreed with you when it came to that. However, it was always the unity part that annoyed me. *mumble* However, Papua New Guinea is one of the most heterogeneous nations in the world. It has 820 languages and it beats out every other country by far. . 820.. so... there!
Also, I can be a dick and mention that Caucasians are Europeans. The majority of this country = Caucasians. ???? Profit!
Quote from: winkio on October 11, 2009, 08:15:51 pm
Blizz retorted that 100% of American countries had nothing to be proud of.
That was just a blunt comment to piss LF off and pull his douchery down back to earth. I wasn't serious about this. You don't have to defend the U.S. in front of me. It's true that I don't have the best opinion of the U.S., but I know that there are good things about the U.S., too. Seriously, when he said that I was like "And you don't even have that 1% since you're such a douche."
Actually winkio has been saying things I haven't expected winkio to say.
Like
*The only prominent organized hate group is the KKK
*We never have mass genocides. (Indians..?)
In my experience, only *some* blacks want to be treated equally - the rest want to sit and whine over how they aren't. I'm fine with those first blacks, because they actually function as normal people. The rest need to burn in hell with the idiots living of unemployment (i.e. my uncle, who gets $1000+/month because he's "insane," which he actually isn't).
And as for my treatment of blacks, a lot of people consider me racist because a) I admit that blacks are different, if only for the fact that they have substantially different heritage and culture from caucasians, and b) I also admit that most blacks in Mississippi are idiots, mainly because of the fact that the Southern culture has forced them to stay in poverty and crap like that for ages and held them back. It's not because they're black, but because of what families they were born in to.
EDIT:
(on topic)
When your major news organizations STILL refer to the LHC as the "Black Hole Collider."
Quote from: winkio on October 10, 2009, 12:25:23 pm
Thank goodness for rising college attendance rates, and the US college system being the most badass thing ever. Yeah, there's still a lot of idiots that go to college and graduate, but there's a lot more people who are intelligent and can contribute to society.
You can't graduate from a good college if you're stupid. So I agree with you Winkio.
As for the people who are insulting america. Yes there are alot of errors there, but not everyone in that country is stupid. If you think that, YOU'RE STUPID BECAUSE I'M NOT STUPID. I'm a straight-"A" student who's in college right now XD and on top of that, I write novels.
I wouldn't mind visiting Europe one day. I think the world needs to stop being so "stupid" and just ban together and live peacefully. It's because of comments like these, so many countries hate each other. If you're religious, do you think God would approve of this hate? NO!
If you're not: would you want to live in a world where everyone hate each other, kill each other and all of that bullshit that shouldn't even exist. I hope not.
Honestly, I'm not going to target the presidents or any leader of the countries. The people spend their credit in bad ways, unable to pay it off, and this effects everyone! Presidents can't do much about it unless they want to calls Inflation or something of the sort.
It would be cool if the would only spoke one language, instead of 352759275923749572458728 different kinds. Then everyone would maybe understand each other and work out a solution to "stupid" problems. XD
I'm not understanding why the Republicans stood by Pres. Bush and then turn around and want to throw in an old guy whose a friend of Bush and would destroy the country even further. Even if he wouldn't, not even he nor Obama nor (George Washington) could clean up the damage Bush created.
Then again, the presidents shouldn't me the ones to take the blame. The "war" is so stupid, someone should've slapped Bush for spending so much money on it. And now Obama is forced to take on the pressure. If he removes the soldiers, that could possibly put America in danger, according to the world media.
If he doesn't: people or reps or whoever are going to find a way to make the guy look bad. Honestly. If you were put in that chair, you wouldn't know what to do for the following reason:
1. ONE slight mistake and everyone ill dislike you.
Politics suck, but they can't be avoided. I honestly think people should shut up and stay patient.
Anyway, that's my support backing up the defense for America and other parts of the world.
QuoteIn my experience, only *some* blacks want to be treated equally - the rest want to sit and whine over how they aren't. I'm fine with those first blacks, because they actually function as normal people. The rest need to burn in hell with the idiots living of unemployment (i.e. my uncle, who gets $1000+/month because he's "insane," which he actually isn't).
And as for my treatment of blacks, a lot of people consider me racist because a) I admit that blacks are different, if only for the fact that they have substantially different heritage and culture from caucasians, and b) I also admit that most blacks in Mississippi are idiots, mainly because of the fact that the Southern culture has forced them to stay in poverty and crap like that for ages and held them back. It's not because they're black, but because of what families they were born in to.
This sounds like one of the most racist statements I've ever heard. I've never been to mississipi, which is in fact one of the most racist states in America. Everyone is different. Its their culture. You sound racist because you are targetting one culture and looking at every downside. You've obviously never lived in a family like that, so maybe you don't know their side of the story. Money is pretty much the root of all evilness. Most familes don't have it. They can't feed themselves, they can't buy anything. That's when they resort to drastic measures to get it.
But only CERTAIN people do that, NOT ALL OF THEM. You're looking at the ones who doing that and then use that to target their entire community. Dude, that's not cool. African Americans, Mexican Americans, Caucasion-American, Chinese-American, Latin-Americans, etc etc. Their are too many to list.
My point is, If I were you, I wouldn't continue to target a different culture like that. People consider you racist because you stating something like that just shows your character. Even if that's not your character, there is no stopping to what could generate in other peoples' minds.
I'm not saying you're a racists or generating anything negative toward you(so no need to curse XD)
but dude, even if you don't like other cultures, don't spit at it if you don't know the other side of the story. In case you don't know, poverty can't be helped. NOBODY wants to live like that. America is living in a bad economy right now, and money to pay bills is a must. Sure, some methods are dishonest, but unless you want to live out on the streets as a homeless(if i ever was to get rich, I would help the needy) some people just do what they gotta do.
Quote*Mumble* Yes America is more diverse than Europe. I always agreed with you when it came to that. However, it was always the unity part that annoyed me. *mumble* However, Papua New Guinea is one of the most heterogeneous nations in the world. It has 820 languages and it beats out every other country by far. . 820.. so... there! Also, I can be a dick and mention that Caucasians are Europeans. The majority of this country = Caucasians. ???? Profit!
You think you are saying something. THAT'S TOO MANY LANGUAGES, NOBODY WILL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. *Facepalms* You're sick XD
So there!
Anyway to everyone else:
I wish the world would stop the wars and just get the fuck along :) If we don't unite, there is no telling what can happen. Then again, its impossible for this world to unite D:
Sad isn't it?
@Rose:
Mention organized hate groups to the average American. KKK will be the first, and perhaps the only one they come up with.
The Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today, just like black slavery does not define our society today. I could give you great detail on all the bad shit that still goes on with the Indians, like the uranium mining, the economic and social barriers we set up, and much more. But Indians can and will continue to integrate and help be a part of the American society.
You're still not getting my point. Bad shit happens in the US. Really bad shit. Bad shit also happens in Europe. We have 50 states that can put aside their differences and work towards a common goal. We have a society where people of all races (even Indians) can be found from the lowest to the highest level of society. We have tons of different industries that are all regulated by the same government. And citizens can easily travel from state to state without worrying about anything. Diversity and unity is more than just races and hate crimes. Learn it.
@Nawm: there are definitely stupid people that graduate from college. Even from the top colleges in the world. And the human race is never going to homogenize. And that's a good thing.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 10:29:24 am
@Rose:
Mention organized hate groups to the average American. KKK will be the first, and perhaps the only one they come up with.
The Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today, just like black slavery does not define our society today. I could give you great detail on all the bad shit that still goes on with the Indians, like the uranium mining, the economic and social barriers we set up, and much more. But Indians can and will continue to integrate and help be a part of the American society.
You're still not getting my point. Bad shit happens in the US. Really bad shit. Bad shit also happens in Europe. We have 50 states that can put aside their differences and work towards a common goal. We have a society where people of all races (even Indians) can be found from the lowest to the highest level of society. We have tons of different industries that are all regulated by the same government. And citizens can easily travel from state to state without worrying about anything. Diversity and unity is more than just races and hate crimes. Learn it.
@Nawm: there are definitely stupid people that graduate from college. Even from the top colleges in the world. And the human race is never going to homogenize. And that's a good thing.
The colleges I'm targetting are the ones of Ivy-league such as Harvar.(correct me if I somehow mispell that)
Yes, maybe there are some, but at least I can say they are in few. Many "stupid" people decide not to go to college.
Anyway, I do agree that really bad things happen in the US. AND THEY CAN'T BE HELPED. Infact, bad shit happens everywhere. THERE IS NOT PREDICTION ON WHEN THEY WILL OCCUR. I.E. they can't be helped.
@Nawm: Writing doesn't make you smart, and neither does making straight As, or going to college. Look at Stephanie Meyers and the average overachieving college student, for instance.
@Nawn: Utopia isn't real and it will never be because it requires a a society where you don't think for yourself. Another problem is the the vision of utopia differs from person to person.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 10:29:24 am
@Rose:
Mention organized hate groups to the average American. KKK will be the first, and perhaps the only one they come up with.
But isn't that even worse? It would mean that most U.S. citizen are ignorant of all the hate groups in their country. :/
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 10:29:24 am
You're still not getting my point. Bad shit happens in the US. Really bad shit. Bad shit also happens in Europe. We have 50 states that can put aside their differences and work towards a common goal. We have a society where people of all races (even Indians) can be found from the lowest to the highest level of society. We have tons of different industries that are all regulated by the same government. And citizens can easily travel from state to state without worrying about anything.
You do realize this is what the E.U. is to become like that quite soon? In fact you already can travel between E.U. countries without worrying about anything. The E.U. countries all have a common payment currency and there are many, many different people living in those countries. That diversity is even much higher than in the U.S. I would say. I don't know how many languages are spoken all over the U.S., in the E.U. some countries have even more than just one language (not counting dialects). Same goes for the industry. There is a lot of diversity between the industries in the various countries.
The longer this discussion is taking, the more I am starting to think that Europe's diversity can pretty much concurrent with the U.S.'s.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 10:29:24 am
@Nawm: there are definitely stupid people that graduate from college. Even from the top colleges in the world. And the human race is never going to homogenize. And that's a good thing.
So true.
Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 10:36:33 am
And the word homogenize sounds really gay, so Good thing the world isn't doing that XD
No offense, but saying something like that makes you sound really stupid.
Having straight A's doesn't make you smart (as LF already said). I know loads of people who have good grades, better grades than me. But when it comes to actually do something, they suck. Those people can't solve the simplest problems if they haven't "learned" about it yet. And that's supposed to be "smart"? Better give me the dunce cap right away so I don't have to bother and waste time with those "smart" people.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 12, 2009, 10:43:53 am
@Nawm: Writing doesn't make you smart, and neither does making straight As, or going to college. Look at Stephanie Meyers and the average overachieving college student, for instance.
I actually agree. Twilight, oh god, what a mistake. I've been flamed by an annoying Twlightfan before, TWICE!
QuoteHaving straight A's doesn't make you smart (as LF already said). I know loads of people who have good grades, better grades than me. But when it comes to actually do something, they suck. Those people can't solve the simplest problems if they haven't "learned" about it yet. And that's supposed to be "smart"? Better give me the dunce cap right away so I don't have to bother and waste time with those "smart" people.
Agree. But what really pisses me off is the ones that think they know it all. Like this one guy in my Science class. Even the Professor had to shut him up.
The thing about the EU is that it's Europe's exclusive club. It would be like if the 10 states with the smallest GDP were excluded from the US. I think Europe is really pushing towards more unification, but they aren't going to follow through until it's economically favorable. I mean, how long has Turkey been trying to get in? Like, 50 years?
QuoteBut isn't that even worse? It would mean that most U.S. citizen are ignorant of all the hate groups in their country. :/
That's not how hate groups work. They thrive on power and national or even international attention. Those with the least recognition have the least power.
EDIT: I just realized a much better way to state my original point: The unique geographical, economic, and political organization of the US is something to be proud of.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 11:02:58 am
The thing about the EU is that it's Europe's exclusive club. It would be like if the 10 states with the smallest GDP were excluded from the US. I think Europe is really pushing towards more unification, but they aren't going to follow through until it's economically favorable. I mean, how long has Turkey been trying to get in? Like, 50 years?
QuoteBut isn't that even worse? It would mean that most U.S. citizen are ignorant of all the hate groups in their country. :/
That's not how hate groups work. They thrive on power and national or even international attention. Those with the least recognition have the least power.
To tell you the truth, which everyone knows, the world will never be able to get rid of Hate groups. Out of every 100th person, (these stats may be wrong)
there will always be at least 1 person that hates something. He may start a group with other people who hates the same thing. Instantly, we once again have another hate group started.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 11:02:58 am
That's not how hate groups work. They thrive on power and national or even international attention. Those with the least recognition have the least power.
But that doesn't mean they aren't there.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 11:02:58 am
The thing about the EU is that it's Europe's exclusive club. It would be like if the 10 states with the smallest GDP were excluded from the US. I think Europe is really pushing towards more unification, but they aren't going to follow through until it's economically favorable. I mean, how long has Turkey been trying to get in? Like, 50 years?
Then why isn't Canada a U.S. state? I don't remember Canada having a low GDP.
Don't preach to me, the U.S. doesn't take anybody who just asks either.
Turkey is more in Asia than in Europe, it's understandable that they won't be accepted for some time.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 11:02:58 am
The unique geographical, economic, and political organization of the US is something to be proud of.
So I should guess that there is no other country in the entire world that doesn't have a unique geographical, economic and political organization? Actually if you take a look at the world, pretty much every country has a unique geographical, economic and political organization. I don't think there are 2 countries with identical geographical, economic and political organizations. (Lol, kinda fun to copy-paste geographical, economic and political organization over and over again.)
Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 10:59:47 am
Agree. But what really pisses me off is the ones that think they know it all.
Straight A's students, that's what I just said.
Wait, we colonized our states, and even when we acquired Texas and the Southwest, which we made anyone who wanted to stay there a dual citizen in the US. Canada wants to be a separate country, and the US is fine with that.
Turkey would be like the Hawaii of EU - completely different culture, yet able to contribute and benefit so much. And yes, I know the background of how Hawaii became a state, oppression and all. Which is why it's great that Turkey WANTS to be a part, and not so great that after 50 years they still aren't in.
Blizz, you should know the difference between identical and unique. After all, you have been working with game content for quite a while. Just because it's not unique doesn't make it identical, and just because it's not identical doesn't make it unique. The US started it's own original, brand new, and revolutionary way of doing things geographically, economically, and politically. That's something to be proud of.
QuoteThis sounds like one of the most racist statements I've ever heard
Which is why he annoys me alot. I don't think he's racist, I just think he doesn't know how to seperate bad seeds from good ones. Its like if a girl kicked me in the testicles and then I turn around say "Well, all women kick you in the balls because this one girl did it"
QuoteYou think you are saying something. THAT'S TOO MANY LANGUAGES, NOBODY WILL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. *Facepalms* You're sick XD
So there!
It was a trap I laid. When someone says something that as a retort I would say...
"You can have diversity without unity? Nawwww."
@ Winkio
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The Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today, just like black slavery does not define our society today. I could give you great detail on all the bad shit that still goes on with the Indians, like the uranium mining, the economic and social barriers we set up, and much more. But Indians can and will continue to integrate and help be a part of the American society.
(http://www.ibiblio.org/phil/fnordchan/spring08/yugioh5.jpg)
You activated my trap card!
By your definition if you say that it happened awhile ago.. you will also have to admit that the holocaust does not define Germany's society today. Guess where Germany is located? Oh? You have negated this statement? Okay.
QuoteWe never have mass genocides.[/i]
Since we didn't have a mass genocide no country ever had a mass genocide.
Now since I don't have to back up my statement (and I'm sure you'll say .. "No wait, I didn't mean that even though I said it") I'll move on to the others.
QuoteI'm not saying what happens in the US is okay, but compared to Europe, we are doing a lot better. The only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US. We have laws against hate crimes, while some European countries don't.
*1. The following states also have statutes criminalizing interference with religious worship: AR, CA, DC, FL, ID, MD, MA, MI, MN, MS, MO, NV, NM, NY, NC, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, VA,
WV.
*2. "Other" includes political affiliation (CA, DC, IA, LA, WV), age (CA, DC, FL, IA, HI, KS, LA, ME, MN, NE, NM, NY, VT), and transgender/gender identity (CA, CO, CT, DC, HI, MD,
MN, MO, NJ, NM, OR, VT).
*3. States with data collection statutes which include sexual orientation are AZ, CA, CT, DC, FL, HI, IL, IA, MD, MI, MN, NV, NM, OR, TX and WA; those which include gender are AZ, CA,
DC, HI, IL, IA, MI, MN, NJ, RI, TX, and WA.
*4. Some other states have administrative regulations mandating such training.
(http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/state_hate_crime_laws.pdf)
Since some European countries don't have laws against hate crimes while some do I guess I'll hold the same standard to the United States. Ignoring the reason the hate crime laws exists in the first place I'll play your game. Thirty states have hate crime legislation .. meaning "some" US states have hate crime laws and some don't..
Using your argument that would negate that statement as well since the country as a whole doesn't have it.
If you would like to know the truth about hate crime laws I suggest you read up on things before you open your mouth. Seems like the world is more open than you think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime
Also seems like Canada is kicking our ass.
"Canada is believed to have more hate crime legislation forbidding certain ideas from being promulgated than any other country in the world."
In conclusion, US has bad shit.. Other countries have bad shit.. Life has bad shit.. so tough shit. I am not religious at all but I believe the bible has a fitting quote for this situation. "He without sin, cast the first stone"
Seeing as the U.S. has quite a few skeletons in our closet, do you really want to expose them by throwing hangers at other countries?
Seeing as what you're saying is solely based on your personal opinion and what I'm saying I back up everytime.. do you really want to continue winkio?
You activated my "Your logic fails" card.
I said the Indian wars don't define our society. Other previous events DO define our society, and other societies as well.
The federal law has legislation that deals with race. State laws are supplementary. I still don't know why you think hate crimes are the only thing that matters. They are mostly irrelevant.
Canada is interesting because they have a less diverse population but stricter diversity laws. They see stuff happening down south, and then tend to overcompensate, which is probably a good thing.
Your trap caught leaves and twigs. You must spend another night in the forest eating berries and nuts. Try again tomorrow!
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 12:18:52 pm
You activated my "Your logic fails" card.
I said the Indian wars don't define our society. Other previous events DO define our society, and other societies as well.
The federal law has legislation that deals with race. State laws are supplementary. I still don't know why you think hate crimes are the only thing that matters. They are mostly irrelevant.
Canada is interesting because they have a less diverse population but stricter diversity laws. They see stuff happening down south, and then tend to overcompensate, which is probably a good thing.
Your trap caught leaves and twigs. You must spend another night in the forest eating berries and nuts. Try again tomorrow!
(http://godknowswhat.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/objection2.jpg)
QuoteI'm not saying what happens in the US is okay, but compared to Europe, we are doing a lot better. The only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US. We have laws against hate crimes, while some European countries don't.
QuoteThe Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today, just like black slavery does not define our society today. I could give you great detail on all the bad shit that still goes on with the Indians, like the uranium mining, the economic and social barriers we set up, and much more. But Indians can and will continue to integrate and help be a part of the American society.
QuoteWe never have mass genocides
QuoteWe have 50 states that can put aside their differences and work towards a common goal. We have a society where people of all races (even Indians) can be found from the lowest to the highest level of society. We have tons of different industries that are all regulated by the same government. And citizens can easily travel from state to state without worrying about anything. Diversity and unity is more than just races and hate crimes. Learn it.
I call bull shit and constant conflict between "points"
I'm not seeing it. Those two sets of points go perfectly well together.
"We never have mass genocides"
Name a contemporary example that happened in the US. Have is present tense.
"The Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today."
Right I am referring to the Indian Wars here during the days of westward expansion. Now that we are no longer expanding, this piece of history is not as defining.
"We have a society where people of all races (even Indians) can be found from the lowest to the highest level of society."
This backs up my last quote, because now we have Indian congressmen and such, which shows that we have more unity and integration than 100-200 years ago.
I'll just re-edit this when you re-edit yours.
My baseline message:
What are you trying to do? Proving me wrong is more trouble than it's worth, and in the end, will be of no consequence to the argument. Why? Because my argument has consisted of vague statements and particular examples. The only way you are going to disprove that is by going way, way off topic, at which point it won't even matter anyways. So instead of trying to prove me wrong, just think about what I'm saying. You don't have to agree with it, but you can still think about it.
Quote from: RoseSkye on October 12, 2009, 12:07:45 pm
QuoteThis sounds like one of the most racist statements I've ever heard
Which is why he annoys me alot. I don't think he's racist, I just think he doesn't know how to seperate bad seeds from good ones. Its like if a girl kicked me in the testicles and then I turn around say "Well, all women kick you in the balls because this one girl did it"
QuoteYou think you are saying something. THAT'S TOO MANY LANGUAGES, NOBODY WILL UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. *Facepalms* You're sick XD
So there!
It was a trap I laid. When someone says something that as a retort I would say...
"You can have diversity without unity? Nawwww."
@ Winkio
Quote
The Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today, just like black slavery does not define our society today. I could give you great detail on all the bad shit that still goes on with the Indians, like the uranium mining, the economic and social barriers we set up, and much more. But Indians can and will continue to integrate and help be a part of the American society.
(http://www.ibiblio.org/phil/fnordchan/spring08/yugioh5.jpg)
You activated my trap card!
By your definition if you say that it happened awhile ago.. you will also have to admit that the holocaust does not define Germany's society today. Guess where Germany is located? Oh? You have negated this statement? Okay.
QuoteWe never have mass genocides.[/i]
Since we didn't have a mass genocide no country ever had a mass genocide.
Now since I don't have to back up my statement (and I'm sure you'll say .. "No wait, I didn't mean that even though I said it") I'll move on to the others.
QuoteI'm not saying what happens in the US is okay, but compared to Europe, we are doing a lot better. The only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US. We have laws against hate crimes, while some European countries don't.
*1. The following states also have statutes criminalizing interference with religious worship: AR, CA, DC, FL, ID, MD, MA, MI, MN, MS, MO, NV, NM, NY, NC, OK, RI, SC, SD, TN, VA,
WV.
*2. "Other" includes political affiliation (CA, DC, IA, LA, WV), age (CA, DC, FL, IA, HI, KS, LA, ME, MN, NE, NM, NY, VT), and transgender/gender identity (CA, CO, CT, DC, HI, MD,
MN, MO, NJ, NM, OR, VT).
*3. States with data collection statutes which include sexual orientation are AZ, CA, CT, DC, FL, HI, IL, IA, MD, MI, MN, NV, NM, OR, TX and WA; those which include gender are AZ, CA,
DC, HI, IL, IA, MI, MN, NJ, RI, TX, and WA.
*4. Some other states have administrative regulations mandating such training.
(http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/state_hate_crime_laws.pdf)
Since some European countries don't have laws against hate crimes while some do I guess I'll hold the same standard to the United States. Ignoring the reason the hate crime laws exists in the first place I'll play your game. Thirty states have hate crime legislation .. meaning "some" US states have hate crime laws and some don't..
Using your argument that would negate that statement as well since the country as a whole doesn't have it.
If you would like to know the truth about hate crime laws I suggest you read up on things before you open your mouth. Seems like the world is more open than you think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime
Also seems like Canada is kicking our ass.
"Canada is believed to have more hate crime legislation forbidding certain ideas from being promulgated than any other country in the world."
In conclusion, US has bad shit.. Other countries have bad shit.. Life has bad shit.. so tough shit. I am not religious at all but I believe the bible has a fitting quote for this situation. "He without sin, cast the first stone"
Seeing as the U.S. has quite a few skeletons in our closet, do you really want to expose them by throwing hangers at other countries?
Seeing as what you're saying is solely based on your personal opinion and what I'm saying I back up everytime.. do you really want to continue winkio?
a trap eh? Also what up with the Yugioh posts plol. Anyway, yeah. It's very important to seperate those seeds or it will make it look like you're saying something to a mass amount of people.
Quote from: Blizzard on October 12, 2009, 11:10:29 am
Then why isn't Canada a U.S. state? I don't remember Canada having a low GDP.
Don't preach to me, the U.S. doesn't take anybody who just asks either.
Canada hasn't even asked. They want to remain separate.
First you say :
QuoteWe never have mass genocides
and then when I bring up one you say ..
Then you say :
QuoteThe Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today
..
QuoteWe have a society where people of all races (even Indians) can be found from the lowest to the highest level of society.
(Do you fucking know that there are races of indians that are extinct now? If thats not Genocide *then you are an idiot)
First you say
QuoteWe have 50 states that can put aside their differences and work towards a common goal.
... I'm not even going to bring up examples that counter this. We can't even pass a health care bill and you're living in some sort of fantasy world where we are working towards a common goal. The republicans in general are caught on making sure nothing happens and we're "Working towards a common goal"
Fuck that winkio, and fuck whatever you change this statement into.
First you say :
QuoteThe only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US.
I say :
No.. that's not true. Many, many domestic terrorist organizations exists even today.
Then you say:
QuoteMention organized hate groups to the average American. KKK will be the first, and perhaps the only one they come up with.
(I could have sworn that Bush and Obama did something to keep tabs on RADICAL FAR LEFT/ RIGHT WAR VETERANS THAT RETURNED MENTALLY UNBALANCED.. what do you call the organizations they joined or were feared in joining.. parties? I could have went with a tea party joke.. but nah..)
.. I'm sick of this.. I'm fucking sick of you changing what you say every two seconds when I bring up something that counters a "point" you made. Get your shit together or shut up. I'm serious. Its like arguing with a creationist when I call bullshit on one thing you bring up another and then you change what you said. I can't keep up with all the bullshit I have to prove wrong. Winkio, keep up with FUCKING reality. Stop saying shit without researching. Damn, I like you but this in general is pissing me off.
Stop steering this into a racial thing as well. You know damned well I am not just talking about racial separation, I'm talking about separation in general. . if you're caught up in being politically correct in this conversation you have already lost.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 11:26:10 am
Wait, we colonized our states, and even when we acquired Texas and the Southwest, which we made anyone who wanted to stay there a dual citizen in the US. Canada wants to be a separate country, and the US is fine with that.
Turkey would be like the Hawaii of EU - completely different culture, yet able to contribute and benefit so much. And yes, I know the background of how Hawaii became a state, oppression and all. Which is why it's great that Turkey WANTS to be a part, and not so great that after 50 years they still aren't in.
Blizz, you should know the difference between identical and unique. After all, you have been working with game content for quite a while. Just because it's not unique doesn't make it identical, and just because it's not identical doesn't make it unique. The US started it's own original, brand new, and revolutionary way of doing things geographically, economically, and politically. That's something to be proud of.
No problem, that's why I'm asking. It wasn't so clear to me what you meant from your earlier post.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 12, 2009, 12:46:49 pm
Quote from: Blizzard on October 12, 2009, 11:10:29 am
Then why isn't Canada a U.S. state? I don't remember Canada having a low GDP.
Don't preach to me, the U.S. doesn't take anybody who just asks either.
Canada hasn't even asked. They want to remain separate.
I didn't say that Canada has asked. I said that the U.S. haven't accepted everybody who's asked so far, that was my point (hence the newline before the taking-asking statement).
@all: No mass genocides? Nagasaki/Hiroshima anyone? :/
Also, this topic is getting a bit out of hand. I'm moving it into ID since the intelligence in this topic overwhelms the chat part and because in ID there are stricter rules. There's no need to split the topic or delete any posts before this one.
I would have said that as well but.. I wanted to make sure I gave an example of a genocide that happened in America. I figured winkio would have said "That was war, that didn't count" even though innocent citizens were murdered in the explosion.
Quote from: Blizzard on October 12, 2009, 01:17:35 pm
Quote from: Longfellow on October 12, 2009, 12:46:49 pm
Quote from: Blizzard on October 12, 2009, 11:10:29 am
Then why isn't Canada a U.S. state? I don't remember Canada having a low GDP.
Don't preach to me, the U.S. doesn't take anybody who just asks either.
Canada hasn't even asked. They want to remain separate.
I didn't say that Canada has asked. I said that the U.S. haven't accepted everybody who's asked so far, that was my point (hence the newline before the taking-asking statement).
@all: No mass genocides? Nagasaki/Hiroshima anyone? :/
Also, this topic is getting a bit out of hand. I'm moving it into ID since the intelligence in this topic overwhelms the chat part and because in ID there are stricter rules. There's no need to split the topic or delete any posts before this one.
The only instance I can think of us refusing is with Texas, and there were serious political reasons behind that.
Plus, the US is
not the same as the EU - the EU is a tight group of individual sovereignties, whereas the United States is one country composed of individual "districts" with some power within their own borders. We are much,
much more unified than the EU and admitting more groups to the Union is a much,
much bigger deal.
I never said it wasn't that way and I never said the U.S. and the E.U. are the same. I did say that the E.U. is going towards something like the U.S., but it still won't be the same. One of the biggest differences is probably that the E.U. would never, never go to war with Iraq, especially not out of economic reasons.
Quote from: Blizzard on October 12, 2009, 01:35:02 pm
I never said it wasn't that way and I never said the U.S. and the E.U. are the same. I did say that the E.U. is going towards something like the U.S., but it still won't be the same. One of the biggest differences is probably that the E.U. would never, never go to war with Iraq, especially not out of economic reasons.
US shouldn't have went to war with Iraq. We're still pissed at bush for doing that. Seriously, I never thought I would war would break out when I was alive. I though it was an 1800's thing (not counting the gulf war in 1990 *not sure if that's correct* Plus I was born in 1990)
Anyway.... I really don't have much to say... I think this thread is starting to learn into a
hate-fest. Or an arguement... but that's my opinion.
(http://beyondassumptions.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/code-geass.jpg)
Since I don't want to argue anymore.. I'll end this here with a checkmate. Everything I said was right and you have just fallen into the biggest trap I've ever sewn. As I said before U.S = diverse.
Unity: absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character.
Diversity: the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness.
diverse != unity and unity != diverse
The conflict of opinion will is the result of Americas freedom and diversity.. and since your whole argument is based on Diversity and Unity.. your foundation has just been toppled and I am the victor.
(http://www.moonbattery.com/house-of-cards.jpg)
QuoteYes America is more diverse than Europe. I always agreed with you when it came to that. However, it was always the unity part that annoyed me.
I'm sorry, when I'm doing stuff like this I don't like to just win. I like to crush peoples arguments. Everything you've said and I've quoted has been supporting my argument all along. Where there is diversity, there can't be unity.. period.
I've had a history class Rose, I know about the Indians, mkay? We fought the Indians, the Indians fought us. We tactically always pushed them to make the first move. We treated it like a military engagement, not an extermination. Besides that, I am correct in stating that the US has not has a mass genocide within the last 20 years (I said have, signifying the present tense, meaning contemporary). I am also correct in my assessment that Indians are integrating into all levels of American society.
We have 50 states that can put aside their differences and work towards a common goal:
The 50 states make decisions together. Majority may rule, but every state is a part of the process. There are lots of examples where the states have worked together very little and there are lots of examples where the states actually have banded together to accomplish something. I was saying that the states can and do band together, not that they never disagree.
I agree that there are many domestic terrorist groups, and just solo terrorists in general. Nevertheless, KKK is the posterchild of the American hate groups.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki had many motivations, none of which were racial. The US wanted:
1. To win the war before the Russians did, as they were going to start a land invasion of Japan in a few weeks.
2. To demonstrate our new power. Bigger stick is better.
3. Yeah, they were military targets, but hitting the military parts of those cities with an a-bomb is like spraying one leaf on a tree with a hose sprayer. This is probably the weakest argument.
4. To come out of the war as international leaders. The US was kinda a big deal after WWI, but then was dismissed after we didn't join the League of Nations. After WWII, we were at the top.
RoseSkye, you are obsessed with iff (if and only if). If I say "if a then b", it does not mean "if not a, then not b" or "if b then a" or "if not b then not a". all that would be true if I said "a iff b". I don't think I've done that yet. Also, I've been saying vague statements. You can't solidify your interpretation on a whim. It's a way of arguing with your opinion that avoids nitpicking little arguments like this one. You can't beat drawings with numbers.
this statement is true:
"Where there is diversity, there can't be unity"
but this is also true:
"Where there is diversity, there is also unity"
The difference? Different aspects of unity. You toppled your argument, which was completely unrelated to mine. Good job.
Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 01:39:50 pm
US shouldn't have went to war with Iraq.
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Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 01:39:50 pm
but that's my opinion.
Does not compute.
Also, nice grammar. Sure proves your "I go to college and write books, so I'm supersmart lol!" theory.
You don't come to a debate with vague statements, and you don't try to convince people of "facts" with half assed ones. There is no way you can counter a literal definition.
I was trying to prove that the US had SOMETHING to be proud of. Nothing else. I did this by offering different statements to think about. You are the one that warped it into some crazed debate thing. I wasn't convincing people of facts, I getting people to understand my position.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 01:50:08 pm
I was trying to prove that the US had SOMETHING to be proud of. Nothing else. I did this by offering different statements to think about. You are the one that warped it into some crazed debate thing. I wasn't convincing people of facts, I getting people to understand my position.
And we do - it tooks us less than 200 years to attain more power than almost every other nation in history, while it took said nation hundreds more to attain theirs.
... that statement leads you to this quote... As long you keep up that argument it'll be a continuous loop.
Quote from: RoseSkye on October 12, 2009, 12:48:44 pm
First you say :
QuoteWe never have mass genocides
and then when I bring up one you say ..
Then you say :
QuoteThe Indians happened a while ago. It does not define our society today
..
QuoteWe have a society where people of all races (even Indians) can be found from the lowest to the highest level of society.
(Do you fucking know that there are races of indians that are extinct now? If thats not Genocide *then you are an idiot)
First you say
QuoteWe have 50 states that can put aside their differences and work towards a common goal.
... I'm not even going to bring up examples that counter this. We can't even pass a health care bill and you're living in some sort of fantasy world where we are working towards a common goal. The republicans in general are caught on making sure nothing happens and we're "Working towards a common goal"
Fuck that winkio, and fuck whatever you change this statement into.
First you say :
QuoteThe only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US.
I say :
No.. that's not true. Many, many domestic terrorist organizations exists even today.
Then you say:
QuoteMention organized hate groups to the average American. KKK will be the first, and perhaps the only one they come up with.
(I could have sworn that Bush and Obama did something to keep tabs on RADICAL FAR LEFT/ RIGHT WAR VETERANS THAT RETURNED MENTALLY UNBALANCED.. what do you call the organizations they joined or were feared in joining.. parties? I could have went with a tea party joke.. but nah..)
.. I'm sick of this.. I'm fucking sick of you changing what you say every two seconds when I bring up something that counters a "point" you made. Get your shit together or shut up. I'm serious. Its like arguing with a creationist when I call bullshit on one thing you bring up another and then you change what you said. I can't keep up with all the bullshit I have to prove wrong. Winkio, keep up with FUCKING reality. Stop saying shit without researching. Damn, I like you but this in general is pissing me off.
Stop steering this into a racial thing as well. You know damned well I am not just talking about racial separation, I'm talking about separation in general. . if you're caught up in being politically correct in this conversation you have already lost.
Quote from: RoseSkye on October 12, 2009, 01:41:44 pm
(http://beyondassumptions.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/code-geass.jpg)
Since I don't want to argue anymore.. I'll end this here with a checkmate. Everything I said was right and you have just fallen into the biggest trap I've ever sewn. As I said before U.S = diverse.
Unity: absence of diversity; unvaried or uniform character.
Diversity: the state or fact of being diverse; difference; unlikeness.
diverse != unity and unity != diverse
The conflict of opinion will is the result of Americas freedom and diversity.. and since your whole argument is based on Diversity and Unity.. your foundation has just been toppled and I am the victor.
(http://www.moonbattery.com/house-of-cards.jpg)
QuoteYes America is more diverse than Europe. I always agreed with you when it came to that. However, it was always the unity part that annoyed me.
I'm sorry, when I'm doing stuff like this I don't like to just win. I like to crush peoples arguments. Everything you've said and I've quoted has been supporting my argument all along. Where there is diversity, there can't be unity.. period.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 12, 2009, 01:46:52 pm
Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 01:39:50 pm
US shouldn't have went to war with Iraq.
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Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 01:39:50 pm
but that's my opinion.
Does not compute.
Also, nice grammar. Sure proves your "I go to college and write books, so I'm supersmart lol!" theory.
I never said I was supersmart. And what's your point anyway? (I'm pretty sure that was a sacastic remark, so use [/sarcasm] next time)
And this is a forum thread. I'm pretty sure I can make as many typos as I want. Do you want to see some of my work,
mr. smartass? <-- I would normally say that. But I'd rather not.
@Rose: false [explanation state=ignored]text[/explanation]
You continuously prove yourself wrong often?
Also longfellow, it looks like you're trying to rearrange my sentence.
Two words: Not cool.
IF you weren't, than look at the other post.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 01:55:29 pm
@Rose: false [explanation state=ignored]text[/explanation]
@winkio
QuoteI was trying to prove that the US had SOMETHING to be proud of. Nothing else. I did this by offering different statements to think about. You are the one that warped it into some crazed debate thing. I wasn't convincing people of facts, I getting people to understand my position.
The opposite of fact is opinion.
Fact: something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
Opinion: a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
Once again, anything you say on the basis of things you have stated previously have been trumped.. now even more thanks to your own admission. Your opinion has no place in this conversation especially if you are as bold to state things you have in the past. I'd like to point you towards the above quote once more.
If you need someone elses opinion on this I refer it to one of the wisest thing I've heard anyone say on this forum.
Quote from: winkioI dislike internet arguments because there is no reliability, no expertise, and often times no balanced point of view. That's fine in good fun and all, but when people start taking it seriously, and believing in it, it's a problem. Unbiased research people. Cold hard facts. Look at all sides of the topic. Don't fool yourselves.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 01:44:34 pm
Hiroshima and Nagasaki had many motivations, none of which were racial. The US wanted:
1. To win the war before the Russians did, as they were going to start a land invasion of Japan in a few weeks.
2. To demonstrate our new power. Bigger stick is better.
3. Yeah, they were military targets, but hitting the military parts of those cities with an a-bomb is like spraying one leaf on a tree with a hose sprayer. This is probably the weakest argument.
4. To come out of the war as international leaders. The US was kinda a big deal after WWI, but then was dismissed after we didn't join the League of Nations. After WWII, we were at the top.
I didn't say anything about racial motivations, I said something about genocide.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 01:50:08 pm
I was trying to prove that the US had SOMETHING to be proud of. Nothing else. I did this by offering different statements to think about. You are the one that warped it into some crazed debate thing. I wasn't convincing people of facts, I getting people to understand my position.
Why do you have to prove that? I am well aware the U.S. has something to be proud of. In fact the U.S. has many things to be proud of.
Quote from: Longfellow on October 12, 2009, 01:51:49 pm
And we do - it tooks us less than 200 years to attain more power than almost every other nation in history, while it took said nation hundreds more to attain theirs.
So did the Roman Empire, so did the Roman Empire... And we all know how that ended.
QuoteYour opinion has no place in this conversation especially if you are as bold to state things you have in the past.
Ah, so that's where you are coming from. See, before you got involved and derailed this thing, we WERE just throwing opinions around, it wasn't a debate and nobody was trying to prove anything (different "prove" than the one you are thinking of btw). Then, you came in and derailed it. Most people went with you and debated, but I thought it might turn in to something like this so I kept with my opinion. Opinions and facts and evidence are not mutually exclusive.
And I love that quote. that is precisely why I didn't want this to turn into an argument, because cold hard facts about the US vs. the EU are not as interesting as what we had going on before. You did it anyways though, and you were completely on top of it from your end, which was a good move, but you just jumped right in assuming everyone else was too. That was your mistake.
And I probably shouldn't have moved the topic here. But too many facts polluted the thread to stay in Chat. #_#
It was definitely time to move it by the time you did though.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 02:19:07 pm
It was definitely time to move it by the time you did though.
I smell lock... oh wait.. that's just chicken
Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 01:55:13 pm
Quote from: Longfellow on October 12, 2009, 01:46:52 pm
Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 01:39:50 pm
US shouldn't have went to war with Iraq.
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Quote from: Nawm on October 12, 2009, 01:39:50 pm
but that's my opinion.
Does not compute.
Also, nice grammar. Sure proves your "I go to college and write books, so I'm supersmart lol!" theory.
I never said I was supersmart. And what's your point anyway? (I'm pretty sure that was a sacastic remark, so use [/sarcasm] next time)
And this is a forum thread. I'm pretty sure I can make as many typos as I want. Do you want to see some of my work, mr. smartass? <-- I would normally say that. But I'd rather not.
I was pointing out that you can't just market an opinion as fact. And no, that's the exact order of your post, the first sentence and the last, I believe. I only took the last because that's where you actually label it an "opinion," which makes the difference between what you did and trying to stuff crap down people's throats.
Also, "have went" isn't a typo, it's a failure to conjugate.
Quote from: winkio on October 12, 2009, 02:14:28 pm
QuoteYour opinion has no place in this conversation especially if you are as bold to state things you have in the past.
Ah, so that's where you are coming from. See, before you got involved and derailed this thing, we WERE just throwing opinions around, it wasn't a debate and nobody was trying to prove anything
I didn't derail it WcW derailed it.. I simply ranted about how I hate the health care/birthers/ nut jobs that I see.
The comment that derailed it was the dick that said "99% of Europe... blah blah blah" Of course, I'll take the blame for it if you want, I don't care. As long as I can have fun.
wen you prezadent decides to force evry 1 to pay for free haircare for every one
Yeah, when the government forces you to pay for something that benefits everyone, you are most likely in the worst place on earth. It's so unfair!
And by the worst place on earth, of course I mean every organized civilization on it.
Quote from: edwardthefma on April 15, 2010, 09:58:22 pm
wen you prezadent decides to force evry 1 to pay for free haircare for every one
If your country's schools fail at teaching your kids how to spell.
When the government is so corrupted that everybody knows, but nobody can do anything against it.
Quote from: Blizzard on April 16, 2010, 02:32:00 am
When the government is so corrupted that everybody knows, but nobody can do anything against it.
Oh, you idealist.
When... fuck, I don't even think my countrysucks. I guess I'm not cool now.
Quote from: winkio on April 16, 2010, 02:34:26 am
Quote from: Blizzard on April 16, 2010, 02:32:00 am
When the government is so corrupted that everybody knows, but nobody can do anything against it.
Oh, you idealist.
Worse, you see it from time to time on the news that one or another politician was involved in criminal, affairs, etc., and nothing happens. No real investigation, no court, no nothing. They all get away even though everybody LITERALLY knows that they are guilty. :/
Still, it's progress. Back in the day, politicians used to kill the opposition and repossess everything they owned. There's no such thing as a true egalitarian government yet, although as the internet gets more and more integrated into society, perhaps we will get closer to that goal, as the internet is a great equalizer.