Quote from: Subsonic_Noise on April 23, 2012, 07:38:41 pm
Meh. I don't agree with either of both extremes. I'm not what's decribed in the video and I'm not the oh-so-idealized manly man, I'm a healthy mix of both, and perfectly happy with it. I support feminism (I'm talking reasonable feminism here, not "Oh god skyscrapers are symbols for penises") and see people as equal and give them respect regardless of gender. People are worrying about things like this far too much. Some men are gonna be submissive, and some women will, and from my point of view there's no way someone -has- to behave. If a man is a so-called pussy and doesn't get laid because of that, it's his thing. If he wants to change that to get laid, he can, and if he doesn't, that's perfectly fine. I don't think there's anything wrong with men acting femine either. I know some that do and they are perfectly fine people.
To stop ranting and sum up what I'm trying to say, people are making too much fuzz about how others -should- or -should not- behave according to their gender. It doesn't matter, and it doesn't hurt you. Behave whatever you want to behave like, and allow others the same right.
I don't really agree with this. Of course, everybody should live their life as they see fit. But the problem isn't whether you act according to your gender or not, the problem is that you don't act the way you actually want. Most men are actually not happy to be emasculated. This can be observed by their behavioral patterns. They are usually frustrated and not happy with themselves, they don't stand up for themselves. This indicates that they are not acting how they actually want. They have been fed with the wrong beliefs for their whole lives and they are not even aware of this. In a sense they are unhappy and they don't know why.
Sure, there are men who are feminine and not as "manly" as other men, but you can tell the difference between somebody who's naturally a more feminine person from somebody who is acting like one because that's how they have been told their entire life. You can compare it to the analogy of a gay man trying to his his homosexuality and trying to act like a heterosexual the whole time in front of his friends. There is a huge difference.
I'm really not sure how good feminism is of an idea. I really do believe in the equality of gender, but each gender has strengths and weaknesses. I don't believe that the genders should try to reverse roles this extremely because it obviously doesn't work. Men on leashes are not happy and hardcore feminists are always angry and frustrated. I really have to yet meet a feminist woman who is not the least bit off. So far every feminist I have met has serious psychological issues with overcompensation, ego and lack of self-confidence and self-esteem. I am for independence, but feminism doesn't look like independence for me. It looks to me like independence when they feel like it. :/
As for equality, IMO this is a bad word for it. Equivalency is much better. Men and women are not "equals" (as in "the same"), they are equivalent (as in "having the same value").
As for the slapping, I agree. If she slaps me, I can decide to slap her back. I wouldn't slap her first because I don't believe in violence. But if I get attacked, I will defend myself. The problem is the possibility of the crap that is shown to happen in the videos: Bitch slaps guy, police stands still, then Guy slaps back and police are all over him. :/
Oh well, there's always the possibility of catching her hand in mid-air and stopping her. But you have to be able to read people well and have good reflexes for that. xD
@Calintz: There were periods in my life (mostly the earlier teenage years) where my father wasn't around either. I don't blame him, I know the reasons and I know he chose the lesser of 2 evils. But my mother's influence in that part did do some damage. Though, I don't blame here for this either. There are many good things my mother has taught me. Just because there were many wrong things, doesn't mean she was a bad mother. Actually on the contrary, I probably had a better mother than most people. In any case after I got more independent, I have learned the right values in life to become a real man. I still believe in values like being chivalrous, maybe even a gentleman, etc. But there is a limit to things. I will not be kind to a person who's being a dick/bitch. In fact I will actually strike back 2-3 times harder because I don't allow people to take their shit out on me. I will be a gentleman to a person whom I believe deserves it, regardless of gender. But I will not be a submissive pussy. If I am being a gentleman, I am being a gentleman because I want to. It is a gift from me with no strings attached. Most men are just being gentlemen because they want to get into women's pants. They are submissive in the hopes of getting laid. Sadly, this is the worst mistake they are making. Women by nature love to be dominated, it's hardwired in their genes. Men are taught to be nice to women which is completely wrong. Grabbing a women, pulling her in so that she feels that you're in control actually turns her really on. You don't have to be a jerk about, just let her feel the man in you and she'll love it. Hence why I agree with you and with what the videos are showing.
Do you know what actually happens when a hardcore bitch meets a man that actually puts her in her place? She goes crazy about him and wants to fuck him and keep him under all costs. She's been deprived of a real man for so long since she's surrounded only by pussies. It's like getting some water after a whole day in the desert. So be careful when you come across one of those. You may not want to turn her on too much.
@winkio: Women want equal benefits and pros, but they don't want equal cons. That's not equality or equivalency, that's just special rights.
Quote from: winkio on April 23, 2012, 10:28:46 pm
Where are all the male secretaries, cleaning staff, etc? Some jobs appeal more to one sex than the other, does it really make that big of a difference?
This is exactly what I am trying to say. We are not equal, we are equivalent. One gender is suited better for one job while the other is better suited for other jobs. Or there are preferences, it doesn't matter. Mutual respect for somebody else's strengths and complementing their weakness with one's own strength is what should be happening.
@F0: I agree with you. And this is how it should be. Women are naturally better at some jobs, men are naturally better at other jobs. If there's a case of somebody wanting a job where the other gender is better, go ahead. Not all people are the same. But expecting special treatment because this is not their gender's preferred job is just bullshit. It's like "I want all rights for my gender, but I want the rights of your gender, too!"
@GrimTrigger: Very well said. I especially agree with male bashing. There's also another aspect of this. By selling sex (aka half-naked women jumping around or in sexy poses) it also creates a fake illusion that sex is something far more than it actually is and that women are dominant, sexually self-confident and whatnot. This is actually so far from the truth, it's not even funny. The worst thing is that men are being brainwashed into believing they are worthless and then they are bombarded with sex being this big thing they are not worthy enough to have. I mean WTF. This is so much bullshit I don't even know where to being explaining how wrong this is.
One thing that is very interesting in general, it's how the media are teaching men to avoid doing everything that actually women like and that turns them on. Can you believe that? Women love to be teased, yet we are told not to criticize women. Women love to be dominated, yet we are told to be submissive. Women love to be touched, yet we are told that we'll get a sexual harassment suit if we as much as bruise our hand accidentally on her back.
Funny enough women don't know who they are or what they want either. They are also brainwashed into believing that sex is bad and that they have to find a doormat for a husband. This is then the advice they give men about women. Be nice, buy flowers, pay for the dinner, etc. They are telling men this stuff because they have been told this stuff. It's not what they really want, it's only what they think they want.
It's not just men being robbed of their sexual identify, it's also happening to women. Women probably love sex more than men, yet they are taught how it's filthy and how they will be sluts if they have sex, etc.
@everybody: My whole point is: If somebody is a soft person FOR REAL, it's ok. But if a man was just brainwashed to be a soft person (aka pussy), that's not good. They are not really who they are, they have been brainwashed to be a fake. And they can't help themselves, because they don't know what's wrong. They can't be happy, because they are not really who they are.
EDIT: I just wanted to add that I hate the double moral of the gold-digger bitch from the video getting free dinners. Just because men are pussies and bootlickers today, doesn't mean you should exploit it. She could have said "no, I won't do that." She wants to be free and independent, yet she accepts free meals. Pure double moral. If I want to be independent, I won't accept free meals all the time. Sure, I don't mind being treated sometimes, but that's like once in 2 months maybe, not every single day!