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Title: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 02, 2009, 10:31:04 pm
(I'm sorry.. I'll have to stop being a jerk/pervert for a little second. I can't parody how much this annoys me. I can.. but if I do, someone will probably take me seriously.)

My ancestors were slaves.. this was a fact. I don't blame anyone, I don't care about it.. sucks for them. (If there was an afterlife they'd probably kick my ass for that) I don't hold grudges.. its stupid and life is too short. I wasn't raised to hate anyone. I literally didn't know what racism was.. until I moved south. (imagine my surprise when we moved to the south... I've never heard the word 'nigga' in my life let alone nigger.. but I've been called both in the same week. I asked my mom what they were.. then she just slapped the fuck out of me. Later I found out it was a slur. Doesn't really scathe me though because that's kinda like calling me Fatso or something.. just a taunt to get under my skin. No pun intended.)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L3etOZM8dU&feature=related



Okay okay, my point is I watched this video and thought.. Hmm.. Black Republicans... Interesting. My eyes glued to the Youtube
screen I watched in awe to the gruesome speeches. Somewhere in they're bitching they forgot Christianity's golden rule 'Do unto others'. I thought "FOOLS" how could you cling to this God we didn't know about until we were made slaves. How can you promote bigotry so nonchalantly. "FOOLS" If Gay people were substituted with Black People you would be the first to bitch about it, HOW COULD THIS SHIT FLY?

I'm not angry about them being republicans.. I'm angry about them being republicans and bigots. I am angry.
Tch, marriage between a man and a woman.. sanctum of marriage my ass. Just a few decades ago we couldn't drink at water fountains and were to always be at the back of the bus.. and what the fuck was learned? Fucking bigotry is okay if its not against a race but someone with a different sexual preference. Like gay people are going to chain them to a bed and force them to like being fucked in the ass (outside of prison  :haha: It's true.. it's true. You get anally penetrated by 'straight' men there.)  Anywho. That's my rant.. these guys are douchebags. They can french kiss my ass.

By the way they can Abort if they want its their fucking body, dick. Forcing people to do shit because you want them to. This is fucking America, land of the free.

I thought that meant:
We don't torture.
We don't discriminate.
We don't pass our will on others.
We don't cheat.
We don't fear monger.

I am aware how this is ironic.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Diokatsu on May 02, 2009, 10:38:54 pm
Hail Komrade! Your words are well said!
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 02, 2009, 10:44:48 pm
:'( *back to normal*

*insert penis joke here* *uncomfortable butt touch*
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Diokatsu on May 02, 2009, 10:56:19 pm
Quote from: RoseSkye on May 02, 2009, 10:44:48 pm
:'( *back to normal*

*insert penis joke here* *uncomfortable butt touch*

I see your point though. It's very hypocritical.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 02, 2009, 11:01:45 pm
Of course it is.. but there is something called Natural selection. Bigots are slowly dying out with every generation. They might not be gone while I'm alive.. but I hope for the safety of the human race.. that people actually acquire intelligence.

I know for a fact that eventually they will.. unless these motherfuckers keep having kids.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Blizzard on May 03, 2009, 08:20:23 am
I don't think so. Idiots never die out. :/

And I totally agree with you on the first post.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: King Munkey on May 03, 2009, 09:36:22 am
Quote from: Rival Blizzard on May 03, 2009, 08:20:23 am
I don't think so. Idiots never die out. :/


Exactly. I mean look I am still here.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 03, 2009, 09:38:31 am
Where in the south do you live?
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Vell on May 03, 2009, 09:42:31 am
I agree with Rose and Blizz. Idiots are becoming SLOWLY less common. but they'll never completely die out. unfortunately.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 03, 2009, 09:44:25 am
Actually, I think the idiot ratio has made a significant jump since 1969.

Lol, Blizz, you've contaminated my mind. (I was being serious, though)
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Blizzard on May 03, 2009, 10:10:27 am
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 09:44:25 am
Lol, Blizz, you've contaminated my mind. (I was being serious, though)


That sounded so wrong.

I think that the globalization simply made it clear that there are much more idiots out there than you thought. We all have seen stupid videos of stupid people on youtube. As I said, their number is probably as good as constant. It's just that we're now aware that there are so many.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 11:08:58 am
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 09:38:31 am
Where in the south do you live?


Georgia. :/
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 03, 2009, 12:42:56 pm
That's nowhere near as bad as MS, AL, or LA. All of which should be banned from the Union, but only after the government evacuates the 1% of the people who deserve to stay in US.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 01:23:09 pm
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 12:42:56 pm
That's nowhere near as bad as MS, AL, or LA. All of which should be banned from the Union, but only after the government evacuates the 1% of the people who deserve to stay in US.


I have family in MS.. that place was like going back in time.
I saw a sign that read "Nigger, if the sun doesn't shine I better not see your behind."
Apparantly lynch mobs were martial law in that place. That ticked me off.. but I'm not Batman so I didn't say anything.

I mean.. the worse that happens in GA is people follow me around in stores and stereotype me. I'm okay with that. I would follow me around too.. because I'm sexy.. (that and better safe than sorry.. some black people steal.. ignoring the fact that some white people steal too..). Oh, and sometimes older people call me colored or afro-american.. or nigger. Somehow nigger is way less offensive than colored or african-american, to me.

*Normal* *inserts penis joke*
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 03, 2009, 03:41:12 pm
It's not that bad. In the Northeast, we just have people painting penises on stuff.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Diokatsu on May 03, 2009, 03:44:28 pm
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 03:41:12 pm
It's not that bad. In the Northeast, we just have people painting penises on stuff.

True dat.
(http://www.gamerevolution.com/images/misc/drawn_penis.jpg)
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 03, 2009, 03:47:48 pm
I meant Northeast MS X|
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 05:51:57 pm
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 03:41:12 pm
It's not that bad. In the Northeast, we just have people painting penises on stuff.


Why would I lie about my experiences? Believe me or not.. your choice.


Annnnnnnnyways. This topic isn't about me.. I said what I wanted to say, about those douchebag bastards. I'm done. I sense a debate coming up that I want to avoid at all costs.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 03, 2009, 09:54:21 pm
I dont' mean to be racist, but...

I think it's funny that black people complain about slavery nowadays, when black people started it.  When Americans went to Africa, African tribes sold the white people prisoners of war as slaves.
(this is just a comment to all the people who still hold a grudge about slavery, not about the topic itself.)

jokes aside, I agree with you 100% Rose.  It's really stupid.  I've heard people complaining that gays should just "stop whining and be quiet" and that their protesting shouldn't be allowed.  I guess Blacks should have just stopped whining and gotten back to the cotton fields, and women should have stopped whining and gotten back to the damn kitchen.  But oh wait, that's not the same, they say!  It's different!  my ass =.=
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 03, 2009, 10:02:21 pm
@rose: I'm not accusing you of lying, I'm just stating that your experience doesn't really represent Mississippi as whole, and that it might have been a wee hyperbolic.

@namk: I'm kinda jealous of women and black people. They get to say whatever they want, yet I have to watch my tongue to make sure I don't say "black," or else I'll get shot.

@topic: Actually, a lot of black people around here call each other "niggah" all the time. Apparently, mispronouncing an "R" removes all semblance of insult from a term. 0_o
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 03, 2009, 10:05:21 pm
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 10:02:21 pm
@namk: I'm kinda jealous of women and black people. They get to say whatever they want, yet I have to watch my tongue to make sure I don't say "black," or else I'll get shot.


someone from deviantart got 2 of their deviations removed, because they were racist.
why?
because it was a "white pride" piece of art.
a white background with an irish symbol on it.

the majority is not allowed to have pride, it's racism then.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 10:57:33 pm
WcW.. nice. Excuse me of exaggeration.. I hate when I have to make people eat their words.. However, at the same time. I love when I get the chance to boast that if you did some research I wouldn't have to.

*Ahem* The time when I saw the sign.. about 2001, I happened to be 14 at the time. It was a frightening thing because this was a very secluded area. Few homes and what not..  I never said this happened in all places in Mississippi, however, it did happen to me. Telling me I exaggerated is basically saying "LIAR"

Rose is totally exaggerating (http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/active_group_2006.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk)
People aren't that racist in the world that they would want to kill someone for race. (http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/kkk/changes.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=4&item=kkk)

Of course, if I am a liar.. the White Knights a.k.a (KKK) wouldn't have a division set up in Mississippi. Of course, it is too far fetched to think that a white knight would not be scared to put up a sign to warn 'niggers' that they will kill them in a county where there are NO STREET LIGHTS AND ITS PITCH DARK AT NIGHT!

Tell me WcW do you see any street lights?: ShowHide
(http://www.kelticklankirk.com/Mississippi-White-Knights-KKK_Rally_KLASP-33.JPG)


How many times do you have to swallow your words when you question me before you think. "Hey, maybe Rose could be serious at times. Maybe he just wanted to tell an experience in agreement that.. hey.. sometimes life is funny" Of course, I don't hold anyone accountable. I don't hold grudges, I told you that. I don't go around blaming everyone with a different skin tone for a few idiots that shouldn't breed. Of course, in your mind you thought that.. "See, he's blaming everyone for a bad experience. He's a fucking liar."

Of course I could site many hate crimes that -recently- happened on both sexual preference and ethnicity (which is why I could NEVER be someone that hates someone else. I have had family executed by racists.. and it was perfectly legal to do so back then. Also,  recently when hate crimes became punishable in the 90's. Of course I would be exaggerating when I say they're dead.. you douchebag).

Edit: I posted the wrong picture of the MS White Knights.. whoops.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Diokatsu on May 03, 2009, 11:04:21 pm
Quote from: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 10:57:33 pm
Of course I could site many hate crimes that -recently- happened on both sexual preference and ethnicity.

cite*
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 11:05:41 pm
Quote from: Gym Leader Diokatsu on May 03, 2009, 11:04:21 pm
Quote from: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 10:57:33 pm
Of course I could site many hate crimes that -recently- happened on both sexual preference and ethnicity.

cite*


Wow.. I made a typo. Nail me to the cross. You could also point out my incorrect (and excessive) usage of ellipses while you're at it.
Heat of the moment mistake. Bite me.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Diokatsu on May 03, 2009, 11:08:19 pm
/me bites


I like hypocrites. They're easy to laugh at.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 11:18:12 pm

So I'm a hypocrite for friggin telling an experience that really happened to me?
...and defending myself when he says what I said was a 'wee bit hyperbolic' which means 'you're exaggerating'?

QuoteI'm not accusing you of lying, I'm just stating that your experience doesn't really represent Mississippi as whole, and that it might have been a wee hyperbolic.


When the hell did they change the meaning of hypocrite?

In my universe hypocrite defines as..

1.    a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.


I never pretended that I had a virtue or belief that I don't believe in. I hate when people deny rights to ANYONE, no matter what race out of bigotry and disregard of the constitution.

I didn't feign any approved attitude (and I repeatedly am chastised for my personality.. unrelatedly). I wouldn't say anything that I didn't feel irl in a tl;dr post. (4chan doesn't count because.. in some sick way I find them hilarious. However, I wouldn't approve myself of having a /b/tard friend... that wasn't a cute girl.)

Of course, if you didn't mean that and was addressing my first post. Whoops, however, WcW got under my skin. Not by calling me a racist.. but by calling me a liar and like just because he didn't see it happen it didn't happen. Eh, fuck you buddy.. Fuck you with a TnT dick and Kerosene lubricant.

I saw this coming as soon as WcW told me that
QuoteIt's not that bad. In the Northeast, we just have people painting penises on stuff.


Oh.. shit maybe he meant Northeast Mississippi as opposed to Southern. Though he did say that I exaggerated..

Quote@namk: I'm kinda jealous of women and black people. They get to say whatever they want, yet I have to watch my tongue to make sure I don't say "black," or else I'll get shot.


^ Also.. that comment reaks of douchebag. STOP GENERALIZING.. fuck. When you make a comment adding a -some- in between words would be helpful to your statement.

Which sounds more douchebag?

"They get to say whatever they want"
"Some of them get to say whatever they want"
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 03, 2009, 11:19:55 pm
where is all this arguing coming from?
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 03, 2009, 11:26:43 pm
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 03, 2009, 11:19:55 pm
where is all this arguing coming from?


QuoteI'm not accusing you of lying, I'm just stating that your experience doesn't really represent Mississippi as whole, and that it might have been a wee hyperbolic.


To be honest, it arisen before that.. it slipped my mind that there is a 'Northeast Mississippi' in terms. I count Mississippi as one state. So when I read that, I assumed that he meant the entirety of MS instead of where he stays. So yeah.. but, that flustered tl;dr came from when he said that I exaggerated.

Edit: Not a literal Northeast, MS. However.. a MS that people refer to 'Northeast'. At least in my circles.

Edit 2: *Twitch* Fuck.. I'm taking the internet seriously. See this always happens when I know the person that taunts me with experiences. You know.. from now on I'll just ignore WcW. It seems as he's exactly the sort of kryptonite that gets under my skin.

Edit 3: No, I was right. I re-read it and he definitely told me "It's not that bad."
Fucking douche. When I get annoyed about something, I'm unable to think clearly. A personal attack on my integrity is something that flusters me. I'm in no way, shape, or form a liar (especially to people on the internet). So, when someone tells me "You're lying" figuratively. I am unable to analyze the situation clearly and indeed go into -nerd rage-
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 04, 2009, 12:10:07 am
your experience and WcW's apparently have been different.
so...you're both right, and you're both wrong.

Rose, you must just live in a place that's a lot worse than what WcW has seen.  I think all WcW was telling you was not to generalize ALL of a state, based on the area you've lived in/experienced, as all areas of teh state might not be the same.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 12:23:11 am
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 12:10:07 am
your experience and WcW's apparently have been different.
so...you're both right, and you're both wrong.

Rose, you must just live in a place that's a lot worse than what WcW has seen.  I think all WcW was telling you was not to generalize ALL of a state, based on the area you've lived in/experienced, as all areas of teh state might not be the same.


Ooh you might have a point...

if I didn't already say...

Quote"How many times do you have to swallow your words when you question me before you think. "Hey, maybe Rose could be serious at times. Maybe he just wanted to tell an experience in agreement that.. hey.. sometimes life is funny" Of course, I don't hold anyone accountable. I don't hold grudges, I told you that. I don't go around blaming everyone with a different skin tone for a few idiots that shouldn't breed. Of course, in your mind you thought that.. 'See, he's blaming everyone for a bad experience. He's a fucking liar.'."


(But Rose that was after he posted that..)

You're right.. wait.. you're still wrong.

QuoteMy ancestors were slaves.. this was a fact. I don't blame anyone, I don't care about it.. sucks for them. (If there was an afterlife they'd probably kick my ass for that) I don't hold grudges.. its stupid and life is too short. I wasn't raised to hate anyone. I literally didn't know what racism was.. until I moved south. (imagine my surprise when we moved to the south... I've never heard the word 'nigga' in my life let alone nigger.. but I've been called both in the same week. I asked my mom what they were.. then she just slapped the fuck out of me. Later I found out it was a slur. Doesn't really scathe me though because that's kinda like calling me Fatso or something.. just a taunt to get under my skin. No pun intended.)


Right there in the first paragraph. No grudges.

(But Rose you were generalizing)


Quote"How many times do you have to swallow your words when you question me before you think. "Hey, maybe Rose could be serious at times. Maybe he just wanted to tell an experience in agreement that.. hey.. sometimes life is funny" Of course, I don't hold anyone accountable. I don't hold grudges, I told you that.I don't go around blaming everyone with a different skin tone for a few idiots that shouldn't breed. Of course, in your mind you thought that.. 'See, he's blaming everyone for a bad experience. He's a fucking liar.'."


Says right there that I'm not generalizing.. so what is your argument?
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Blizzard on May 04, 2009, 05:53:05 am
Hey, Rose, calm down. Nobody is saying anything against you. We're actually on your side here.

I know how it is when extraordinary shit happens to you and everybody is like "it's not that bad". It doesn't matter how bad it is, it matters how you perceive it.
WcW said something stupid by saying "there is no murder or of racism". Bullshit. Many people have been killed because of racism.
And Dio was just being... IDK, he was just being Dio. He didn't mean to insult you or something.

The only two things that are really fucked up about the topic racism is excessive racism and stuff that is shown as racism. Just like NAMK said, we're almost as good as not allowed to say the term "black person" or we're automatically counted as racists. Remember the South Park episode "Naggers"? That's it.
Excessive racism is a problem on itself. Not that "normal" or "average" racism isn't, hatred is always something bad. I'm just saying that excessive racism leads to murders, rapes and such.

I don't think you're a hypocrite if that helps. I think just everybody here somehow stepped the other on the wrong foot because I don't see any intentional insults here. As if everybody misunderstood everybody else's statements. o.o; i.e. IMO what WcW tried to say is that because of racists some people, who aren't even racist, have to suffer because of it. And I guess he wants to say that we all have equal rights regardless of being black, gay, female, etc. We're all humans. We al have human rights.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 04, 2009, 10:05:20 am
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 10:02:21 pm
@rose: I'm not accusing you of lying, I'm just stating that your experience doesn't really represent Mississippi as whole, and that it might have been a wee hyperbolic.


jeez...
that started all of this?

Rose are you on a freaking hairpin trigger lately or what?
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 12:11:56 pm
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 10:05:20 am
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 03, 2009, 10:02:21 pm
@rose: I'm not accusing you of lying, I'm just stating that your experience doesn't really represent Mississippi as whole, and that it might have been a wee hyperbolic.



jeez...
that started all of this?

Rose are you on a freaking hairpin trigger lately or what?


Nice try Namkor..

Quote@rose: I'm not accusing you of lying, I'm just stating that your experience doesn't really represent Mississippi as whole, and that it might have been a wee hyperbolic.


Hyperbolic definition: ShowHide
1.  Of, relating to, or employing hyperbole.


Hyperbole definition: ShowHide
a deliberate exaggeration of speech or writing used for effect


Of course, if you had a vocabulary.. you wouldn't have put your foot in your mouth.


@Blizz.


The problem isn't that I think people are against me. The problem is that it was said that -It might have been an exaggeration-
I saw this coming as soon as he said "It wasn't that bad". Which is why I said.

QuoteAnnnnnnnnyways. This topic isn't about me.. I said what I wanted to say about ~ douchebag bastards. I'm done. I sense a debate coming up that I want to avoid at all costs.



However, he triggered it by calling it an exaggeration. You should know the frustration of having something happen to you and noone believing it happened to you. I cant prove it because there were no photos taken of it. This topic was friggin about jerk hypocrites that forced their will on gay people. I -didn't- want it to become about me. I also didn't want to be seen as a liar.

Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 04, 2009, 01:26:07 pm
in other words you went on a freaking rampage because he said you might have exaggerated a little?
that's called a hair trigger.

f*ck you, thanks for attacking me for doing nothing, have a nice day.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 01:41:38 pm
@Blizz, Addition to statement


Also for the record Blizz, save your speech. I don't have a problem with open racism. I have a problem with condescension. There is a huge line between the two. Open Racism isn't so bad because I know where they stand. However, 'I'm not a racist-condescension' is more annoying because its not saying they're a racist, its trying to say "Can't you see how this comment could be kinda racist?"

Quote from: Kinda Racist, WcW@namk: I'm kinda jealous of women and black people. They get to say whatever they want, yet I have to watch my tongue to make sure I don't say "black," or else I'll get shot.


'What? He said that..'
'What do you mean he said that? Of course, I can't say black around black people and women without getting shot'
"Woah, calm down Rose.. And I guess he wants to say that we all have equal rights regardless of being black, gay, female, etc. We're all humans. We al have human rights."

That's not the fucking point, Blizz. Okay let me give you a situation to compare this with.

Let's say you're an orphan. You were born an orphan you cant help it. A douchebag comes and says something douchebag because he wasn't born an orphan.

This orphan hears someone who says something like  "I know how you feel, even though I was born with a family I'm sure it sucks".

the orphan replies "Yeah.. I don't get eat often, I find myself starving and crying myself to sleep because people always accuse me of being a good for nothing thief"

The douchebag replies "It's not that bad. I live near an orphanage and the worst people do is eat sandwiches"

the orphan replies "Believe me or not.. why would I lie?"

The douche replies "I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying it may be an exaggeration" (which is calling you a liar) "I'm kinda jealous of Orphans, all orphans do is pickpockets and steal because they don't have a family.  I have to watch my tongue around orphans or I'll be stabbed because they're all angry scum looking for a fight."

the orphan upset, has to some way defend his honor so he shoves -facts- in his face "Of course people wouldn't look down on orphans because they're all seen as bastard children. Anti-Abortionists force women that aren't ready for children to have us and then don't give a flying fuck if we are abandoned by our families. People are not aware of how terrible it is not having a family and think its all coconuts and peaches."

"Woah, Orphan kid, calm down. We're all gods children... I think what he was saying was that people cant say orphans steal without being stabbed by an orphan. We all have rights." (*face palm* What the hell does that have to do with anything)


Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 01:26:07 pm
in other words you went on a freaking rampage because he said you might have exaggerated a little?
that's called a hair trigger.

f*ck you, thanks for attacking me for doing nothing, have a nice day.


Exaggeration definition: ShowHide
    the act of exaggerating or overstating.


exaggerate definition: ShowHide
to magnify beyond the limits of truth


Beyond the limits of truth = a lie.

Lie definition: ShowHide
false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive

hyperbole definition: ShowHide
a deliberate exaggeration of speech or writing used for effect


Holy shit.. Lie and hyperbole are almost synonymous. Both are or can be false statements deliberately used to decieve.. the only difference between a hyperbole and a lie is..

Truth "I went to the store and bumped into a man."
Lie "I went to the store and bumped into a man, The shock forced me into cardiac arrest. I died. "
hyperbole "On my way to the store I bumped into a man. The impact from the shock resonated through my body."

Hyperbole and Lie are both lies.. however lie is more excessive.

I didn't attack you for doing nothing, I attacked you for quoting WcW out of context ignoring the fact that he told me that I had exaggerated. Which is the same as calling me a liar.. if its not I dare you to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 04, 2009, 01:47:53 pm
He said you might have exaggerated a little, not "you lie, there's no such thing as racism".  Stop looking for a reason to argue and flip out, and calm the fuck down.  You expanded the definition of exaggeration to the point where exaggerating at all is lying, however you're completely neglecting that an embellishment of the truth isn't by its nature a complete and total falsehood, and, in fact, could simply be a result of one's perception of an event.

In other words.  His perception and your perception differed.  And from what he has seen, it wasn't as bad as what you had seen, therefore he said you were exaggerating.  He wasn't calling you a liar, he was saying that from what he saw it wasn't that bad.  Proven.

Also your example of a hyperbole isn't by any means a lie, as the shock from the impact -would- in fact, transfer through your body.  Also your orphan example is terrible, as you're equating being able to say words (freedom of speech) to pickpocketing.  Seriously.

Now go squeeze a stress ball or beat up a punching bag or something and stop flipping out on the forums.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 01:54:43 pm
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 01:47:53 pm
He said you might have exaggerated a little, not "you lie, there's no such thing as racism".  Stop looking for a reason to argue and flip out, and calm the fuck down.  You expanded the definition of exaggeration to the point where exaggerating at all is lying, however you're completely neglecting that an embellishment of the truth isn't by its nature a complete and total falsehood, and, in fact, could simply be a result of one's perception of an event.

In other words.  His perception and your perception differed.  And from what he has seen, it wasn't as bad as what you had seen, therefore he said you were exaggerating.  He wasn't calling you a liar, he was saying that from what he saw it wasn't that bad.  Proven.

Also your example of a hyperbole isn't by any means a lie, as the shock from the impact -would- in fact, transfer through your body.  Also your orphan example is terrible, as you're equating being able to say words (freedom of speech) to pickpocketing.  Seriously.

Now go squeeze a stress ball or beat up a punching bag or something and stop flipping out on the forums.


I love how you completely forget that this isn't about racism, this is about him calling my post an exaggeration.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 04, 2009, 01:56:22 pm
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 01:47:53 pm
He said you might have exaggerated a little, not "you lie, there's no such thing as racism".  Stop looking for a reason to argue and flip out, and calm the fuck down.  You expanded the definition of exaggeration to the point where exaggerating at all is lying, however you're completely neglecting that an embellishment of the truth isn't by its nature a complete and total falsehood, and, in fact, could simply be a result of one's perception of an event.

In other words.  His perception and your perception differed.  And from what he has seen, it wasn't as bad as what you had seen, therefore he said you were exaggerating.  He wasn't calling you a liar, he was saying that from what he saw it wasn't that bad.  Proven.


Also your example of a hyperbole isn't by any means a lie, as the shock from the impact -would- in fact, transfer through your body.  Also your orphan example is terrible, as you're equating being able to say words (freedom of speech) to pickpocketing.  Seriously.

Now go squeeze a stress ball or beat up a punching bag or something and stop flipping out on the forums.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 02:10:26 pm
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 01:56:22 pm
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 01:47:53 pm
He said you might have exaggerated a little, not "you lie, there's no such thing as racism".  Stop looking for a reason to argue and flip out, and calm the fuck down.  You expanded the definition of exaggeration to the point where exaggerating at all is lying, however you're completely neglecting that an embellishment of the truth isn't by its nature a complete and total falsehood, and, in fact, could simply be a result of one's perception of an event.

In other words.  His perception and your perception differed.  And from what he has seen, it wasn't as bad as what you had seen, therefore he said you were exaggerating.  He wasn't calling you a liar, he was saying that from what he saw it wasn't that bad.  Proven.


Also your example of a hyperbole isn't by any means a lie, as the shock from the impact -would- in fact, transfer through your body.  Also your orphan example is terrible, as you're equating being able to say words (freedom of speech) to pickpocketing.  Seriously.

Now go squeeze a stress ball or beat up a punching bag or something and stop flipping out on the forums.





(What I meant to edit in)
My orphan example isn't terrible because that orphan doesn't stab people/ pickpocket.. and I DONT SHOOT PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT I AM BLACK. I don't even own a fucking gun.

You must have some kind of foot toothpaste or love the taste of your own foot in your mouth.



Shock definition.. in the tense I applied: ShowHide
  Something that jars the mind or emotions as if with a violent unexpected blow.

Alright then.. The shock resonating through the body was meant to be be a dramatic exaggeration.
I dare you to read all my posts before you say anything else. Read every tl;dr post and tell me when I 'flipped' out. Other than tried to prove that my words may have had merit.

Of course you wont understand that maybe if I told someone..

"Man.. all gay people like raping straight men. We should be afraid of gay people or letting them marry because they're gay."

A gay person wouldn't say

"Hey, you're wrong. We normally don't go for straight people or try to force our will on straight people. We're typical everyday people.. only difference is.. we like the same sex. Now I understand, there might be other people who do rape and kill straight people that happen to be gay.. but please don't lump us all together."

That's like me saying.

"A guy didn't get beaten and left to die on a fence by two straight guys. It's not that bad. The worse that happens here is people say 'That's gay'"

of course a gay person would correct me and say

"That's untrue! There have been many gay hate crimes (http://gaylife.about.com/od/hatecrimes/a/statistics.htm) that resulted in the death of gays. This isn't a matter where I could exaggerate because hits close to home"


Of course, you can't realize how FOOLISH your argument is because I'm "over-reacting" when I get annoyed that someone would tell me that "Its not that bad" "You may be exaggerating" when I tell something that actually happened to me.

You wouldn't see how much I look down on ANYONE who couldn't see why someone would try to defend their honor when in reality they wanted to share a story.. thats it.. just share a story of an experience.

Like saying to a rape victim

"It's not that bad, the worst people do here is have sex with their spouses"

and the rape victim retorting

"You FOOL, rape is an all but common thing 'According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, which includes crimes that were not reported to the police, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted in 2006. That's more than 600 women every day'. Now I understand some people have sex but don't lump us all together."


Namkor, you FOOL making childsplay over me wanting to defend an experience that frightened me as a child.
Of course, there is no feasible way to have a reasonable debate with you guys because you rely on opinion more than fact. It's depressing.

You know what.. I'm done here. Until youz guys gain some sort of I.Q. and become able to decipher why I am addressing WcW. Until youz guys can see how I wouldn't like it that someone threatened me not to be out in night time or I'll be killed.. and it could be something I would be annoyed by if someone nonchalantly said "That's an exaggeration.. if you went outside in pitch black dark in a place where there is a KKK division you wouldn't be killed." You are as competent as children in my eyes.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 04, 2009, 03:39:54 pm
can you not grasp the concept of perception at all?
What you saw and what WcW saw could be very very different, and result in a difference of opinion or a difference in view of severity of the situation.

How many times do I have to say it?

Jesus christ.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 04, 2009, 05:43:41 pm
Quote from: Rival Blizzard on May 04, 2009, 05:53:05 am
WcW said something stupid by saying "there is no murder or of racism". Bullshit. Many people have been killed because of racism.


...I don't think I said that.

EDIT:

Oh yeah. And when I said you might be exaggerating, that was mostly towards "lynch mobs are martial law." I don't think very many places in US are like that :/
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 05:44:09 pm
Quote from: Eilte Four NAMKCOR on May 04, 2009, 03:39:54 pm
can you not grasp the concept of perception at all?
What you saw and what WcW saw could be very very different, and result in a difference of opinion or a difference in view of severity of the situation.

How many times do I have to say it?

Jesus christ.


I did acknowledge that in my previous posts "Jesus Christ".

However if I didn't experience being set on fire I wouldn't say to a burn victim.
"It's not that bad. The worse that would probably happen is you bleed a little"

To say that someones experience is an exaggeration is stupid. Completely moronic. "Jesus Christ" and to say that when someone defends their experience that They're "flipping out" and are completely wrong for being annoyed that something that could be a traumatizing experience is nothing but an wee hyperbole. No matter how much I try to wrap my head around his PoV.. it was a stupid statement.. and you reek of stupid statements even more than WcW because you cant understand that it was a stupid statement and that my posts trying to show him that it was a stupid statement were not 'flipping out' it was 'shoving reality in his face'. Something that you're completely separated from.

Of course, if he calls me black I'll shoot him.. with my gun, that I don't have. Of course, the irony of this statement is even after I said that I'm not judging everyone from the same place for a few idiots, I'm not holding any grudges. "I'm looking for a fight" or "Flipping out" however, when this guy generalizes.. He's the hero.

Well, go on Chaos Project, go for the underdog..
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 04, 2009, 05:47:11 pm
I stopped reading your rants a while back, but I skimmed over your last post and was reminded of Rorschach's "The world will look up and say, 'Save us' and I'll look down and whisper, 'No.'" Fun times, that novel.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 05:59:30 pm
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 04, 2009, 05:47:11 pm
I stopped reading your rants a while back, but I skimmed over your last post and was reminded of Rorschach's "The world will look up and say, 'Save us' and I'll look down and whisper, 'No.'" Fun times, that novel.


(Its not like anything you have to say is smart anyway. My rants may lack substance.. but I do not speak (totally from opinion.. as do you) when I oppose someone, I promise you that I will have references)

You wish for a novel?

Cyrano de Bergerac

...
--Such, my dear sir, is what you might have said,
Had you of wit or letters the least jot:
But, O most lamentable man!--of wit
You never had an atom, and of letters
You have three letters only!--they spell Ass!
And--had you had the necessary wit,
To serve me all the pleasantries I quote
Before this noble audience. . .e'en so,
You would not have been let to utter one--
Nay, not the half or quarter of such jest!
I take them from myself all in good part,
But not from any other man that breathes!

Translation: Dullest comeback, ever.


*Tilts head..* Modern literature novel? Pale in comparison to lore of old.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 04, 2009, 06:12:29 pm
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Okay, Rose, SHUT UP. You don't know me at all. I'm probably better than you at almost every academic and intellectual area there is, excluding music and literature, which I actually concede to you in (woo, I'm more capable than you at something! I can admit it when I'm defeated!). I might not show it here, but that's because this is a forum, where I go to relax, enjoy life, and talk to people. I don't try to be the best and win at every little argument here, which you'll notice if you read over my posts with any attention. I was just saying that "I don't really have anything to say about whatever is you're complaining about for the umpteenth time, but was Rorschach a cool character?" I have no desire to fight with you all the time, so I don't. But I seriously do not appreciate it when you make assumptions like that. And quit acting like you're so much better than everyone else on this forum at everything -- you're worse at that than Dio, which is saying a lot. (Not insulting Dio, you're just the intellectual you are, and I respect that -- you happen to know what you're talking about)
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Diokatsu on May 04, 2009, 06:18:38 pm
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 04, 2009, 06:12:29 pm
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Okay, Rose, SHUT UP. You don't know me at all. I'm probably better than you at almost every academic and intellectual area there is, excluding music and literature, which I actually concede to you in (woo, I'm more capable than you at something! I can admit it when I'm defeated!). I might not show it here, but that's because this is a forum, where I go to relax, enjoy life, and talk to people. I don't try to be the best and win at every little argument here, which you'll notice if you read over my posts with any attention. I was just saying that "I don't really have anything to say about whatever is you're complaining about for the umpteenth time, but was Rorschach a cool character?" I have no desire to fight with you all the time, so I don't. But I seriously do not appreciate it when you make assumptions like that. And quit acting like you're so much better than everyone else on this forum at everything -- you're worse at that than Dio, which is saying a lot. (Not insulting Dio, you're just the intellectual you are, and I respect that -- you happen to know what you're talking about)


Lol.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 04, 2009, 06:21:54 pm
Error: ArgumentError: Not enough arguments (wall of text, please specify source of humor)
-     from: irb (1)
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 06:43:32 pm
Quote from: Biker WcW on May 04, 2009, 06:12:29 pm
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Okay, Rose, SHUT UP. You don't know me at all. I'm probably better than you at almost every academic and intellectual area there is, excluding music and literature, which I actually concede to you in (woo, I'm more capable than you at something! I can admit it when I'm defeated!). I might not show it here, but that's because this is a forum, where I go to relax, enjoy life, and talk to people. I don't try to be the best and win at every little argument here, which you'll notice if you read over my posts with any attention. I was just saying that "I don't really have anything to say about whatever is you're complaining about for the umpteenth time, but was Rorschach a cool character?" I have no desire to fight with you all the time, so I don't. But I seriously do not appreciate it when you make assumptions like that. And quit acting like you're so much better than everyone else on this forum at everything -- you're worse at that than Dio, which is saying a lot. (Not insulting Dio, you're just the intellectual you are, and I respect that -- you happen to know what you're talking about)



.. you're right. My only talent is literature ;-;.
I never hinted that I had been any better. However. . in debating I do try to destroy arguments.
I'm a jerk in that r.. in all respects. I admitted it before however, I... still don't like that I was told my story was an exaggeration. That is one of my only memories of MS as a kid. I have admitted that (even though I didn't say it originally) I did not hold a grudge against the whole state.. just those idiots.

The more I tried to say that (in my own way.. which is a wall of text) the more I felt that everyone rose against me.. and the more I had been annoyed by the fact that people were seeing me as the bad guy. Whether that warrants an apology is up to you.. whatever. This place is too complicated for me.

So before I'm banned for hate speech or whatever the fuck' I'll be banned for I'll just throw in the cards here.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: tSwitch on May 04, 2009, 07:11:06 pm
Quote from: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 06:43:32 pm
I never hinted that I had been any better.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v259/psycho-mantis/lol-1.jpg)



Quote from: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 06:43:32 pm
However. . in debating I do try to destroy arguments.
I'm a jerk in that r.. in all respects. I admitted it before however, I... still don't like that I was told my story was an exaggeration. That is one of my only memories of MS as a kid. I have admitted that (even though I didn't say it originally) I did not hold a grudge against the whole state.. just those idiots.

The more I tried to say that (in my own way.. which is a wall of text) the more I felt that everyone rose against me.. and the more I had been annoyed by the fact that people were seeing me as the bad guy. Whether that warrants an apology is up to you.. whatever. This place is too complicated for me.

So before I'm banned for hate speech or whatever the fuck' I'll be banned for I'll just throw in the cards here.


I was just saying you were flipping out over a misinterpretation.

also, Rorschach is from Watchmen, which is an awesome graphic novel.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: fugibo on May 04, 2009, 07:18:50 pm
I wasn't trying to rise against. I like having you here, I just think (IMO) that you should cool it a bit and ease off on all the perversion just a bit. I'm sorry for all misunderstandings.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: RoseSkye on May 04, 2009, 09:21:26 pm
and Rose's heart grew three sizes that day..

Fuck.. he's feeling trolls remorse.
Title: Re: Hypocrites, them all!
Post by: Blizzard on May 05, 2009, 03:55:05 am
Just for the record. I said we have equal rights, I didn't say we would be all equal. ;)
I'm just glad this stupid and pointless misunderstanding is over. If I was here yesterday, I would have locked the topic earlier. But it might be better that you cleared this up, though.