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Title: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Wizered67 on April 05, 2010, 12:25:38 pm
This  will probably be taken as a joke, but what does SDK actually do? It seems like all it does is cause incompatibility issues.

Btw, I got this from HBGames.org

QuoteThe SDK should NOT be edited and redistribute without contacting a member of the SDK Team. Edits to the SDK may cause massive capability errors and would defeat what we are trying to do here.


Um... too late for that....
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Tyril132 on April 05, 2010, 12:37:45 pm
In theory, it's supposed to provide a modified base of the original game's development environment to assist script writers in developing more compatible scripts, more quickly.

SDKs in game design are not a new concept, and generally tend to work out pretty well.

RMXP's SDK is an exception to the the rule. In reality, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. It essentially causes additional compatibility issues without offering any tangible benefits in return.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Aqua on April 05, 2010, 12:39:08 pm
It makes your game explode.

End of discussion :D
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: winkio on April 05, 2010, 01:35:24 pm
Good SDKs should provide a developing environment on top of the default one that enables the user to create more complex systems more quickly.  In other words, good SDKs add new functionality without decreasing old functionality  The infamous RMXP SDK, for no apparent reason, is not built on top of default RMXP stuff, but rather overwrites it.  This is an example of stupidity, as the new functionality comes at the price of the old functionality.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Blizzard on April 06, 2010, 09:41:41 am
SDK = Software Development Kit.
RMXP SDK = RMXP Standard Development Kit.

It's not a standard and it's not a development kit. IMO the name is a complete joke.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: tSwitch on April 07, 2010, 08:39:42 pm
RMXP Software Destroying Kit
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: ForeverZer0 on April 07, 2010, 09:10:57 pm
In my opinion, it is sorta like Socialism.
Sounds good, but works like shit.
I always de-SDK any script I find that uses it.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Subsonic_Noise on April 07, 2010, 09:15:00 pm
Quote from: ForeverZero on April 07, 2010, 09:10:57 pm
In my opinion, it is sorta like Socialism.

I can't let you insult socialism like that.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: G_G on April 07, 2010, 09:15:57 pm
SDK = the shit of flies that fly around shit. No its the shit of the maggots that grow from the shit of flies that fly around shit. There.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Ryex on April 07, 2010, 09:44:20 pm
Quote from: Subsonic_Noise on April 07, 2010, 09:15:00 pm
Quote from: ForeverZero on April 07, 2010, 09:10:57 pm
In my opinion, it is sorta like Socialism.

I can't let you insult socialism like that.


it is EXACTLY like socialism in only one way... in which case it is only sorta like socialism...
any way like socialism it is great intheory but horrid in practice and just don't work
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: ForeverZer0 on April 07, 2010, 09:45:07 pm
QuoteQuote from: ForeverZero on Today at 09:10:57 PM
In my opinion, it is sorta like Socialism.

I can't let you insult socialism like that


Well, I did. Sorry, deal with it. ;)
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Kett Shee on April 07, 2010, 10:03:02 pm
A blasphemous abomination upon the entire world of RMXP scripting? 
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: King Munkey on April 07, 2010, 10:06:25 pm
The equivalent of crap that was run over 20 times and a skunk slept on it and then got run over 200 times.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Blizzard on April 08, 2010, 02:32:21 am
Socialism = good
Communism = bad

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: winkio on April 08, 2010, 04:12:03 am
social and economic systems have nothing to do with SDKs.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Subsonic_Noise on April 08, 2010, 05:58:15 am
Quote from: Ryexander on April 07, 2010, 09:44:20 pm
Quote from: Subsonic_Noise on April 07, 2010, 09:15:00 pm
Quote from: ForeverZero on April 07, 2010, 09:10:57 pm
In my opinion, it is sorta like Socialism.

I can't let you insult socialism like that.


it is EXACTLY like socialism in only one way... in which case it is only sorta like socialism...
any way like socialism it is great intheory but horrid in practice and just don't work

I'd have soo much to say to this, but it'd be offtopic.

Anyways, the SDK was a ggod idea in general, but just didn't work out too well. Also, if you want to use scripts from thid forum, you shouldn't use the SDK, as it it incpmpatible with most of them.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Fantasist on April 08, 2010, 06:54:03 am
OK. Is there anything good about the SDK at any level?
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Blizzard on April 08, 2010, 08:19:14 am
Quote from: Subsonic_Noise on April 08, 2010, 05:58:15 am
the SDK was a ggod idea in general
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: tSwitch on April 08, 2010, 08:52:15 am
S - D - K
WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

UH HUH YEAH

S - D - K
WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR?
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: King Munkey on April 08, 2010, 09:01:07 am
I believe the name of this topic should now be SDK bashing.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: ForeverZer0 on April 11, 2010, 10:37:14 pm
QuoteSocialism = good
Communism = bad

KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!


I do the difference. Only someone who has never lived a day of their life under socialism would say such a thing. I mean no disrespect, though, everybody is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions.

I thought this topic was about SDK...? :O.o:

Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Blizzard on April 12, 2010, 03:05:24 am
So did I: Yugoslavia, remember those old days? I do.

Socialism is, in theory, a good social system because everybody helps everybody. Communism was an implementation of Socialism and we all know how it was: The few people on top do what they want and you have no right to speak your mind or you will be shot. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that can be a good thing.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Subsonic_Noise on April 12, 2010, 05:26:43 am
Quote from: Blizzard on April 12, 2010, 03:05:24 am
So did I: Yugoslavia, remember those old days? I do.

Socialism is, in theory, a good social system because everybody helps everybody. Communism was an implementation of Socialism and we all know how it was: The few people on top do what they want and you have no right to speak your mind or you will be shot. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that can be a good thing.

That's how it was executed... The idea still isn't a bad one, it just would require everyone to want the others good, which sadly is (nearly?) impossible.
The will nearly always someone who will abuse the system for his personal gain.
There is nothing wrong with the theory (at least with Marx' original one), but it still is very unlikely to work, mainly because of people being selfish and greedy.
At least that's what I think, back to topic.

The SDK kills your parents and rapes your siblings. /thread
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Blizzard on April 12, 2010, 06:59:11 am
I know. That's why socialism works only in theory. :/

SDK != socialism :V
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Landith on April 12, 2010, 06:03:29 pm
The SDK sucks period.
'nuff said.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: ForeverZer0 on April 12, 2010, 07:35:38 pm
QuoteSo did I: Yugoslavia, remember those old days? I do.

Socialism is, in theory, a good social system because everybody helps everybody. Communism was an implementation of Socialism and we all know how it was: The few people on top do what they want and you have no right to speak your mind or you will be shot. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how that can be a good thing.


I agree with all that. I merely believe that people should each earn their own, and not have to do everything for 'the good of others', by force. I have nothing wrong with doing for others, but I belief its not the governments business to tell me what and how much. Charity is not charity if its being ordered.

I just personally don't like when people, who live in a Capitalist country (usually), want to talk about all the great merits of Socialism. Capitalism is what makes this country (America) great.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Kett Shee on April 12, 2010, 10:09:30 pm
this topic has been sent into spiraling madness.... :O.o:
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Subsonic_Noise on April 13, 2010, 02:14:04 am
Quote from: ForeverZero on April 12, 2010, 07:35:38 pm
Capitalism is what makes this country (America) great.

HAHAHAHA! Dude, this must be the best joke I heard in a while.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Agckuu Coceg on April 14, 2010, 12:32:56 am
Yes, too much spam on one topic.

What is SDK? This is garbage, set up ostensibly for compatibility scripts. The problem is that scripts are usually not combined with the very methods SDK.
But infuriates me more than garbage, which is a continuation SDK - MACL. Because I have not seen any working sensibly script based on it, although scripters chorus argue that they work.

P.S. Socialism - good, сommunism - bad, ah? Did you say this a person living in the former Soviet Union? I say seriously - they are both Holy shit. Long live the AUTHORITARIAN REGIME!  :evil:
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Blizzard on April 14, 2010, 02:52:28 am
Quote from: Agckuu Coceg on April 14, 2010, 12:32:56 am
Long live the AUTHORITARIAN REGIME!  :evil:


That one has its good sides. i.e. If you have a good and caring leader, everything will be fine because not everybody can think for themselves. xD
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Agckuu Coceg on April 19, 2010, 03:24:27 am
Quote from: Blizzard on April 14, 2010, 02:52:28 am
Quote from: Agckuu Coceg on April 14, 2010, 12:32:56 am
Long live the AUTHORITARIAN REGIME!  :evil:


That one has its good sides. i.e. If you have a good and caring leader, everything will be fine because not everybody can think for themselves. xD


And what, someone can argue? Of course not. It's stupid to have a leader with authoritarian who is IDIOT or selfish, otherwise good there will not be. In proof of this can be given to Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine and Georgia.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Zeriab on April 19, 2010, 04:44:43 am
What, MACL is by no way a continuation of SDK.
It's purpose also quite different. It is to provide some commonly used method so each scripter don't have to reinvent them.
Like extra Math functions, prime checks and extra Bitmap drawing methods.
It's quite possible that there are parts which suck, but you can just use the parts you find useful.

As for the SDK... I think everything I'd want to say has already been said ^^
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Agckuu Coceg on April 20, 2010, 01:41:07 am
Zeriab, I do not think MACL continuation of SDK. Just so damn Google Translator translates it. MACL - this is addition of SDK, which without it can not live, but working script on it I have never seen.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Fantasist on April 28, 2010, 09:54:25 am
Quotebut you can just use the parts you find useful.

Planning to do just that. I've picked up so many neat snippets. I've also learnt many new things regarding Ruby by going through the code. Dunno about the usefulness, but MACL contributed in moving my Ruby knowledge a notch higher.
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: Fallen Angel X on May 12, 2010, 09:59:29 pm
SDK? I thought we were talkin bout STDs... Eh, basically same thing. And if you wanna run parallels, SDK is like your mom, they both suck :naughty:
Title: Re: SDK, what does it do?
Post by: winkio on May 12, 2010, 10:01:29 pm
SDK: SucksDicK