Win8 - Anyone?

Started by PhoenixFire, June 03, 2012, 11:21:28 am

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PhoenixFire

I have been using Windows 8 for about 3 months now, and I've seen it go through a lot of progress. Specifically I use the 32-bit version, because there's still issues using a 32-bit program on a 64-bit OS, though that seems to be worked out a little. The apps are very cool, and this newest release, which I think they're calling a release preview, instead of the usual 'release candidate', is stable, useful, and most of all, simply works. Originally I was stuck with a 1024x768 resolution, because my driver didn't work with anythi0ng past win vista (damn dell support still doesn't have a workaround), but now it has a 1280x800 resolution support built right in, no driver installation required...
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ForeverZer0

I tried out a build a couple months ago, though there is no way I am going to use a preview edition as my everyday platform. There are a few neat little features I like such as making renaming and new folder creation a bit more accessible (among other things), but I am yet undecided on the whole Metro thing. Its my computer, not a smart phone, and I don't know if I like the fact that they are trying to give that feel to it.

I'm sure with time I will come around, and its more about not liking "change" than anything else. Hell, there are still all those XP zealots out there who swear that XP was the pinnacle of Windows. Poor people...
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Blizzard

XP was awesome, but 7 just beats it.

I'm not liking the whole Metro thing either. For now I'll stay away from Win 8 until maybe half a year passes and I ask my early-adopter friends how it's working out for them.
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Subsonic_Noise

I haven't used windows in a while, and I have the (unpopular) opinion that windows 7 was a un-userfriendly piece of crap. Is 8 any better?

winkio

If you don't like 7, then it's hard to know if you will like 8.  It's completely different, the most dramatic change of any windows version.

Subsonic_Noise

Quote from: winkio on June 03, 2012, 02:42:05 pm
If you don't like 7, then it's hard to know if you will like 8.  It's completely different, the most dramatic change of any windows version.

Please tell me they reverted back what they did to the taskbar. That's what still pisses me off about 7.

Blizzard

June 03, 2012, 04:03:07 pm #6 Last Edit: June 03, 2012, 04:04:38 pm by Blizzard
I always used Quick Launch while I was still on XP so that I love Win 7's new taskbar.

@Sub: If you didn't like 7, I don't think you'll like 8. On the other hand: If you like iPad and the bludgeoning that they did to Mac OSX, maybe you will love Win 8.
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I don't like the iPad :P And I'm on OSX Snow Leopard (not updating to Lion because fuck you) and am quite happy with it.
Honestly, I think the task bar like it was before windows 7 was perfectly fine. Did what it was supposed to do. I assume what they did in 7 was some kind of way to get closer to MacOS, but really, it failed. >.< Besides the horrid way of handling resources, I still prefered vista / xp over 7 in terms of usability.

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Quote from: Subsonic_Noise on June 03, 2012, 04:14:01 pm
I still prefered vista / xp over 7 in terms of usability.


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Blizzard

June 03, 2012, 04:42:37 pm #9 Last Edit: June 03, 2012, 04:46:50 pm by Blizzard
Bitch please, Vista was just a leaked Win 7 Alpha. :V

@Sub: Then better stay away from Win 8. xD I mainly like the new taskbar because it combines Quick Launch and the taskbar with "less" space requirement. It doesn't really take less space, it just allows more stuff to be queued horizontally. And that is very, very useful for a multi-tasker like me. I actually hated that "grouping of same window types" in the taskbar, but once they added Aero Peek, it makes sense and is actually useful.
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ForeverZer0

There are options on how to have the taskbar look. I have mine set to small, so it is no larger that XP or Vistas. You can effectively turn it into the old-style bar if you like...
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Quote from: Blizzard on June 03, 2012, 04:42:37 pm
Bitch please, Vista was just a leaked Win 7 Alpha. :V

@Sub: Then better stay away from Win 8. xD I mainly like the new taskbar because it combines Quick Launch and the taskbar with "less" space requirement. It doesn't really take less space, it just allows more stuff to be queued horizontally. And that is very, very useful for a multi-tasker like me. I actually hated that "grouping of same window types" in the taskbar, but once they added Aero Peek, it makes sense and is actually useful.

Yeah, basically it does what macOS does there, but worse XD I dunno. I can't get used to the way windows does that. But then again, at this point I'm probably too "spoiled" to properly judge windows so to say, I guess. It's good for what it's worth.

Blizzard

Yeah, they are all just stealing features from each other. Just like the web browsers do.
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Quote from: Blizzard on June 03, 2012, 05:28:13 pm
Yeah, they are all just stealing features from each other. Just like the web browsers do.

Yep. And it's a shame really, because I always thought that each system was good at what it did.. not what the other one did. :P

PhoenixFire

June 06, 2012, 12:44:33 am #14 Last Edit: June 06, 2012, 09:12:58 pm by game_guy
Okay, to give an explanation that might make sense.. Yes, I prefer windows over other OS's, so I'm pre-oriented to like it, however, I can be somewhat unbiased.. I actually abandoned windows 7 for Ubuntu 12... Anyways...

If you liked windows Vista or 7, you might like 8. I mean, you can pretty much ignore the Metro part 95% of the time. You have a regular desktop view if you prefer it, however, you can access a little more power using some of the apps the tie into the core of the OS if you so choose. I don't particularly like how some of the apps look, but they function how they're supposed to, which is a step up from a lot of windows apps. For those of you that tried a build preview before, and didn't like the blocks of color in the Metro UI, the tiles have been adjusted a bit, and are now way better, and display information so it doesn't look like a sea of color blocks. It now uses your photos, album cover photos, contacts profile pictures, etc., to display on their respective tiles. Now the biggest qualm people seem to have is the no start button thing. Yes, the start button is what Metro UI is for. But the cool part is that it speeds a few things up. You no longer have to specify that you're using search; search box is unnecessary. Once you press the start key, or go to the Metro UI, simply start typing, and it assumes that you're searching. Another interesting feature, though more common, is IE has a built in autocorrect for some simple misspellings. It's actually active right now, and helping me type this haha.. (borrowed that from firefox or something I'm sure..)

EDIT:
So here's my official review on it, if you hadn't seen it on another site yet...


Now, as many of you know, Windows 8 has been released in various stages to the general public in the last several months. I myself have been testing it somewhere in the four to five month time span. I have seen alot of improvements since the first beta release of it, and it seems as though this latest release is the closest we will see to the real thing before it is finalized and released.

What does that mean to you guys, the end consumers? Well first and foremost, you have a choice to make; Will you stay with old technology you are comfortable with, or branch out into "new territory" so to speak?  If you liked Windows XP, and the way it operated, you should like win8, though some people may not like a few feature changes., the most notable being the lack of a start button. For most people, this should not be a problem, because the Metro UI is much better than a simple start menu. The most common function (searching and starting a program) is much more simple now, only requiring you to press the "start button", and start typing. It sends you to the Metro UI, and when you start typing the application name, it auto-searches for you, no search box selection needed. If you type part of the name, it displays a few different options that have those letters in the name, however, if you type enough of it, it appears at the top of the list, and you simply press enter. Now, for the die-hard fans of the traditional desktop model, myself included here, you still get that view, as you are accustomed to, and can have desktop shortcuts like usual, and you can access "My Computer" by opening windows explorer, and selecting whatever you would like to in the normal way.

I have yet to find a program people would be using that does not run within Windows 8 as well, though I did find one program, extremely outdated, that will not run. Win8 does not want to run Sim Ant, one of the original DOS games, though it does run SimCity from the same time period, sometime back in 1998 or so (maybe earlier, though don't quote me on that). The useful feature in Win8 is the apps; Mail, Messaging, People, and Weather are my favourites, and their names speak for themselves. Using the apps, just about everything is integrated together, and from a developers point of view, it would be a smart idea to think about using the app framework for any programs you would like to develop, because the apps have the ability to share information between each other. For example, the Messaging app can take info from the people app (your contacts) to send messages to anyone you have as a saved contact.

Graphics are good as well, with built-in support for somewhat decent resolutions. My video driver simply doesn't work with Win8 (which is fine, it's a driver meant to work with nothing after Vista), so I have no manufacturers driver to rely on, but I still have a resolution of 1280 x 800, which I know isn't huge, nor is it the maximum my screen can handle, but it's better than the 1024 x 768 that Ubuntu defaulted me to with an install of Ubuntu 12.



All in all, I would give Windows 8 a 7 out of 10, and once it is released, I'm sure the final will be at least a 9/10 after all the polishing and final features are done.


I think the part I like the most is that it's useful, runs the programs I use, and, runs smoothly on my laptop, which had trouble booting even Ubuntu 10 because of the processor speed. Now, how much will stay the same or change before it is released is yet to be seen, but I think it will be interesting to try out.

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ForeverZer0

It may not have a Start button, but if I remember correctly, clicking the bottom-left corner of the screen brings up the good old Start Menu. There may be no graphical display of it, but the functionality is still there. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft added the option to display it. At the very least, it wouldn't take long for independent developers to make a shell extension to add it there.

Its really a non-issue for me personally.
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Quote from: ForeverZer0 on June 06, 2012, 09:13:05 pm
It may not have a Start button, but if I remember correctly, clicking the bottom-left corner of the screen brings up the good old Start Menu. There may be no graphical display of it, but the functionality is still there. I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft added the option to display it.


Yes, it's called Metro UI now. The start menu is completely gone, and the lower left corner will bring up Metro. But yes, it has the same functionality.
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Landith

I loved Windows 8 on my moms tablet pc, but as for the whole regular pc goes, I hated it... It was just too much trouble finding an application without the start menu because the mouse controls sucked. I'll probably just stick with Windows 7

PhoenixFire

I would suggest rereading my last post. You do not even have to use the mouse to find a program. Click the start button on the keyboard, stat typing name of app. When it appears on the list, clock it, or if it the top one on the list, simply. Press enter. If you know what you're looking for, it should take you quite literally 3 seconds or less to find it. No mouse required.
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Ryex

My biggest problem with windows 8 is that it represents a para-dime shift in design focus. If aiming for touch screen computer ease of use where a metro UI makes a hell of a lot more sense, a departure form keyboards and mice aiming for  making the interface interaction most user friendly to the extremely casual end user. who want a point and do interface. but this gross oversimplification of the computer's true power and usefulness AUTOMATION OF COMPLEX REPETITIVE TASKS means that I as a computer power user have to jump through a bunch of hoop to get at functionality that was relatively simple before.

My computer is where I build things. is my construction platform for my ideas. and if I were to compare * to 7 in terms of the UI's compulsiveness to that purpose it would be like comparing an Erector Set to a small kids sand box with plastic toys (win 7 is the Erector Set)
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ForeverZer0

I tend to agree with Ryex, although I have not tested to the extent that I can make any real judgement on the matter. I liken it to the same "stupidification" that you see when you compare many classic games to today's games. Things become simplified to a degree that restricts more advanced users or those who want to do more than simply browse the web and listen to music while chatting with their friends. By all means, these things are great, but not at the expense of the other, and they need not be.

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winkio

Years ago, I dreamed of having fully functional win xp on a tablet, being able to run all its software (image editing, coding, games, etc.).  Instead, win8 delivers a fully function tablet on a pc.  The irony would be hilarious if it wasn't so painful.