Started by Blizzard, June 07, 2014, 02:10:45 pm
Quote from: winkioI do not speak to bricks, either as individuals or in wall form.
Quote from: Barney StinsonWhen I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead. True story.
Quote from: winkio on June 07, 2014, 03:30:03 pmI completely disagree with everything in this article. It sets Generation Y up as a bunch of entitled idiots unable to cope with reality, thinking they are the only ones having a tough time.
Quote from: winkio on June 07, 2014, 03:30:03 pmFirst, numerous social media outlets have proven that this generation knows that they are all getting screwed over (facebook, reddit, etc.). A large number of young people are very aware of social issues ranging from dwindling social security to environmental deregulation to discrimination against young employees (requiring numerous years of experience), and are very expressive of their anger and frustration. They do not look at their peers with jealousy, but with sympathy.
Quote from: winkio on June 07, 2014, 03:30:03 pmThird, the central problem faced by this generation is not a lack of realistic expectations, but a lack of opportunities. The primary cause of unhappiness isn't that people haven't achieved their dreams, but that they see no opportunities in which to chase those dreams. As Blizzard said, happiness is the journey, not the destination, but many young people find their journey blocked at every avenue. As the article says, the baby boomers had they previous generation's support behind them, opening up opportunities for personal and financial success. On the other hand, Generation Y is heavily discriminated against by older generations, and has very few opportunities to find a lasting career, join management, or create a startup company.
Quote from: winkio on June 07, 2014, 03:30:03 pmSecond, this generation actually is somewhat special compared to older generations. Besides having the innate skills needed to work with new technology that older generations lack, most of them also have a considerably deeper and more rigorous education, due to the introduction of new teaching tools as well as an additional 20-30 years of knowledge/research. Even without experience, this generation is far from useless, and individuals have a lot more potential than they are given credit for.
Quote from: winkio on June 07, 2014, 03:30:03 pmI could go on and on, but the thing that gets me about these articles is that they are telling unhappy people to stop being unhappy, like it's just flipping a switch. Who goes up to a depressed person and says "cheer up bro, just stop being sad it's your own damn fault." Assholes, that's who.
Quote from: Blizzard on June 07, 2014, 05:12:36 pmBut especially since the rise of the Internet, there are so many opportunities out there that it's ridiculous. It's much easier to look for "classic" jobs and there are so many new areas and job types. I think that people don't realize it that we are in the middle of the golden age of opportunity.
Quote from: Ryex on June 07, 2014, 10:04:56 pmWinkio's point about lack of opportunities? complacently valid. Blizz I don't think you realize how lucky you were to get in with a good company while you were still in school. Me? I'm shit out of luck I go looking for an opportunity like an internship or ANYTHING that could advance my carrier and I'm instantly laughed away "1.4 GPA?" they say, "we have an mandatory cut off of a 3.5", "but look at all the cool things I have done!" I say, "meh, if you had the gpa to back it up they would be impressive." and I'm sent away in shame.
Quote from: Ryex on June 07, 2014, 10:04:56 pmTrue I share blame in that, I spent a good deal of my first years in college board out of my mind with the material so I procrastinated and my performance suffered.
Quote from: Ryex on June 07, 2014, 10:04:56 pmbut lets look at that GPA requirement shale we? 3.5 3/4 of the way to perfect. Every class I've ever been in the final grades were curved so that the average student got about a c+ than means on average a student gets a 2.25 GPA. A 3.5 is something only a truly determined student can acheave, the type of determination you get from actually knowing exactly what you want to do with you life.
Quote from: Ryex on June 07, 2014, 10:04:56 pmNo, real opportunity that gets you a fulfilling career is only given to thous who are "special" minorities, exemplary people, people who have already proven themselves, the top 20% of those who try. For the rest of us opportunity is a 7-5 job paying just above minimum wage, and even that is hard to come by. Case in point it took over 2 WEEKS for the place I'[m working for now to hire me AFTER I had accepted the offer of employment. because of a rigorous hiring process that required a criminal background check that couldn't even revival more than one speeding ticket with out recending the offer. and I had already worked for this pace for the last two summers.
Quote from: Ryex on June 07, 2014, 10:04:56 pmBut none of this has to do with personal happiness. One can be absolutely disgusted with the state of the world as I am and still be personally happy. It's a matter of scale and what you consider important. For me all that required for me to be happy is a small sense of security about the future, that I can keep going, and personal connections. If I have friends and family I can come home to I can't stay depressed or frustrated with the world.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amHarvard: Accepts about 4-5% of applicants. Wal Mart hires about 1-2% of those that apply. That should be a solid indication of how few other jobs there are when decently educated (non Harvard) people have no other places to apply for work at other than Wal Mart. Trust me, its not because Wal Mart is such a great place to work, its because most of the other jobs are gone.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amStats that I could point links to wont convince you that the job market in the US has turned to shit, even tho it absolutely is. There are barely any full time jobs. Thanks to Obamacare (corpratized health coverage, IE, mandatory insurance with no care, not socialized health care either) most jobs here are now part time. Theres also a big push to raise minimum wage. Two sided coin. A: employees would have enough to live on, barely. B: due to increased pay, cant afford to keep as many employees, so many are laid off and let go. Others will most likely be downgraded to part time.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amThe middle class jobs that come with a decent education, trade skills, or experience are gone. There has been zero actual job growth in the US since 2008.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amThe result is a complete polarization of very very very high paying jobs (and only a few of them), and about the same number of minimum wage jobs. The result of this is that everyone in the middle and at the bottom are now competing for those same jobs. As a result, people with Masters Degrees (and an assload of debt) have no other choice than to apply at Wal Mart. The number of bartenders and waitresses in this country with college degrees is staggering. But the real problem is the debt that comes with it. Working on a waitresses wages, one can not afford to make the payments on that education, and that debt does not go away even with bankruptcy. Typical college educations cost at least as much as a house, but most of the time, much much more. The number of student loans that are now in default is at all time record highs. Higher interest rates and further penalties only further exaccerbate the situation. The college educated people, Generation X, can no longer afford to live. There is a new term thats been coined after them: The Educated Poor.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amDoes that sound like they are an entire generation of Lazy Bums?
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amIn ten years time, do not be suprised if you see the US Govt collapse the way the USSR did. When the USSR collapsed, most people around the world did not consider those citizens to be lazy. It was pretty damn well clear that most of those citizens ended up in a very bad situation through no fault of their own.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amThe US should be well known by now for playing Mind Games, Art of War shit, appear strong when you are weak, etc. When the US talks about Unemployment, they dont consider the 90 million people that are no longer considered part of the work force. Most of these people did not retire. They are simply not factored into the statistic and usually do not talk much about where that statistic comes from. I'll agree completely that certain people need to be excluded from the work force, such as students, children, retired, independantly wealthy, etc. But for those that want to work, they are not counted as Unemployed.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amFor example, if a person here has a Realtors license, they do not count. If they were fired from their previous job for ANY reason, they are not counted because they are not collecting Unemployment Benefits.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amHowever if those numbers presented by the Govt get too high, people start gathering in masses and hope to start changing things. Keeping the official unemployment number low is good propoganda, thats all. Trust me, if there were riots in the streets here the way there are in the Ukraine, they would NOT report on it.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amNone of my friends are employed. Out of about 15 people that I used to hang out with at least semi-regularly, only two of them have regular jobs, one of them had to move out of state to get that job. The other guy knew somebody that knew somebody, but I wasnt really close with them. The rest of us have to take what we can get, minimum wage temp jobs that typically expire after a few weeks. These people that I knew, usually brothers and sisters of friends and co-workers have all been knocked on their asses from this economic crash. For the people I do see (and dont know), they have no idea how bad things are getting here, and they live here! My kid "wont get a job". Thats what they think. Just graduated high school, not ready for college or military, but they call them lazy and really think that they wont put forth any effort into getting a job. Getting a job here any more requires extrordinary effort and luck, with the lowest possible return there is, often less. Just because one person has a job does not mean another job exists for everyone that is out of work, but is severely distorts their perspective on the situation.
Quote from: Heretic86 on June 12, 2014, 05:39:52 amNot a rant, just loads of data. I go through this daily with too many people to bother linking here, I come here because I dont want to think about how bad the future is, not because I want to be reminded of it everywhere I go on the web.