Blizz-ABS vs. XAS

[Subsonic_Noise]

but XAS is alooooot easier, which is why I like it better.

HA.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

...Oh, you are serious. Let me laugh even harder.

Actually, yes, I totally agree, XAS is easier... if you want an out of the box 08/15 action RPG that has no unique traits whatsoever, that is. As soon as you actually costumize, read "make your game your own", BlizzABS wins, and it's a flawless victory. Ever looked at the Config App? Yes, you heard right - you do not even need to mess with scripts to costumize the Battle system.. as opposed to have a script for every little thing in your game to begin with, like in XAS ABS.

[Ballade]

but XAS is alooooot easier, which is why I like it better.

HA.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

...Oh, you are serious. Let me laugh even harder.

Actually, yes, I totally agree, XAS is easier... if you want an out of the box 08/15 action RPG that has no unique traits whatsoever, that is. As soon as you actually costumize, read "make your game your own", BlizzABS wins, and it's a flawless victory. Ever looked at the Config App? Yes, you heard right - you do not even need to mess with scripts to costumize the Battle system.. as opposed to have a script for every little thing in your game to begin with, like in XAS ABS.

Woah, i tried to bring peace, but OKAY! Blizz ABS has the Vlad ABS feel on VX. Like, u can just go to a boss and hit em until they die. With XAS, u go to a boss, it knocks u back, and u get ur ass handed to ya. I hate to flex about my game but here's why XAS is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZfUNUSxMXU

[The Niche]

Yeah, you've got a point. But the combo system can do that now, I believe.

[Subsonic_Noise]

but XAS is alooooot easier, which is why I like it better.

HA.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

...Oh, you are serious. Let me laugh even harder.

Actually, yes, I totally agree, XAS is easier... if you want an out of the box 08/15 action RPG that has no unique traits whatsoever, that is. As soon as you actually costumize, read "make your game your own", BlizzABS wins, and it's a flawless victory. Ever looked at the Config App? Yes, you heard right - you do not even need to mess with scripts to costumize the Battle system.. as opposed to have a script for every little thing in your game to begin with, like in XAS ABS.

Woah, i tried to bring peace, but OKAY! Blizz ABS has the Vlad ABS feel on VX. Like, u can just go to a boss and hit em until they die. With XAS, u go to a boss, it knocks u back, and u get ur ass handed to ya. I hate to flex about my game but here's why XAS is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZfUNUSxMXU

Eh, I don't see anything special about that. Nothing you can't do with the combo system, custom movement paths and conditions. What was your point again?

[Ballade]

Yeah, you've got a point. But the combo system can do that now, I believe.

Oh, never got into Blizz ABS so i didnt know this was made. But i personally like XAS better

@Subsonic_Noise

My point is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZfUNUSxMXU. I wanna see it remade with Blizz ABS. I bet it wont be as good.

[Spaceman McConaughey]

Ballade, get the fuck out. Now.

We all know what you are doing, fail-troll

Coming to a BABS forum and saying its competitor is way better. Just fucking leave, dumb-ass.

[Ballade]

Ballade, get the fuck out. Now.

We all know what you are doing, fail-troll

Coming to a BABS forum and saying its competitor is way better. Just fucking leave, dumb-ass.

Woah.. Uh.. sure, i guess telling my opinion is sooooo illegal. U took it waaaaaaay to personal. i get it if u made BABS but what the fuck. Nao watch as i get the fuck back in

[Blizzard]

Ignore Branden. It's his time of the month. (Read: He's not being constructive here at all.)

Actually all your arguments against Blizz-ABS are completely invalid and show that you haven't even tried Blizz-ABS.

When i made an enemy, it ran all over the place,

Not only is it mentioned in the FAQ, there even is an entire chapter in the manual that explains how to make an enemy. If you just bothered opening it and typing into the search "create enemy" you would have found out that you can prevent enemies from moving automatically by adding \move to the event name.

and what i hate about it is that is changes the controls, ik u can fix them back though.

Then where is the problem? Are you just complaining for the sake of complaining? "Yeah, it sucks, I bought beer X. I could have bought beer Y, though. I just didn't do it so I could complain afterwards."

XAS is simple

Of course it is. That is why so many people have so many problems with setting it up: Because it's simple to use. A piece of cake. A walk in the park.

and comes with alot of cool addons.

That's true. But Blizz-ABS is compatible with loads of scripts that are already out there. XAS isn't.

I got use to it faster than i tried to do Blizz ABS.

As I already said, from your response it seems that you didn't spend 15 minutes using Blizz-ABS. How long did it take you to figure out XAS? And don't say 15 minutes, because that would be a lie.

XAS can easily make lots of my favorite games or atleast a mimic of them, like Castlevania, Battletoads, Megaman(My current game IS like Megaman) Double Dragon... Micheal Jackson! Blizz ABS can probably do it if u rewire the scripts in a wierd way, but XAS is alooooot easier, which is why I like it better.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that you didn't touch the scripts of XAS even once? Because I know a Castlevania game that was made without touching the scripting part of Blizz-ABS even once. And if it was polished a bit, it wouldn't even be glitchy. And that was a very old version of Blizz-ABS. You can take a look at it if you want: http://forum.chaos-project.com/index.php/topic,1927.0.html

Woah, i tried to bring peace, but OKAY!

Wait, what? I don't see anybody fighting here. You were the one who came in here and started making up facts without actually trying Blizz-ABS properly. If you want to be able to give a valid and unbiased opinion, you should first familiarize properly with Blizz-ABS and make a small game using it. THEN you can go about ranting if you don't like something. Nobody, who ACTUALLY worked with both systems, is going to agree with XAS being easier to use than Blizz-ABS. Nobody.

Blizz ABS has the Vlad ABS feel on VX. Like, u can just go to a boss and hit em until they die. With XAS, u go to a boss, it knocks u back, and u get ur ass handed to ya. I hate to flex about my game but here's why XAS is better

Custom movement routes, forced actions, hello? If you actually tried Blizz-ABS properly, you would know that you can do all of that stuff. Also, try giving an enemy a higher perception range, low penalty time skills and turn on knockbacks and watch them hand your ass in Blizz-ABS. You won't even get close to hurt actually them. Or just put a few of them on the map, turn on the full AI and watch them outsmart you in groups. Does XAS have leadership roles for enemies? Does XAS allow your enemies to call other enemies for help when they are being attacked? Does XAS allow your enemies to become smarter while observing you and base their decisions on that? Does XAS allow your enemies to run away when they figure out that you'd kick their ass? No, it doesn't.

Nobody is saying that XAS is bad. I, myself, think that XAS is a decent system. It is just very user-unfriendly as you have to have scripting knowledge to use it. As Sub said, XAS is great if you want an action RPG without any special features. But if you want any kind of additional script that isn't graphic related, it won't work. You want a skill that does damage equal to the user's HP? Not with XAS. Blizz-ABS, on the other side, supports custom stuff like that.

[Subsonic_Noise]

My point is, compatibility. Bam, everything can be made in BlizzABS. If I want to have a BlizzABS game with Mode7, it works, RoseSkye made an addon. If you want to have the standard effects replaced with particle effects, sure, that's possible. And if you want to do exactly what video shows - you can do just that. I'm still waiting for winkio to finish dissipate so discussions like this become redundant.

Also, lol, serious buisiness. I am having my fun. :3

[Blizzard]

I love it when people try to pass off their opinion as a fact without even doing the slightest bit of research. It's just too amusing. It's like children. "Mommy, mommy! Johnny told me that babies come from storks! I told everybody in my class about it, but they all laughed at me." It's also kind of sad when you look at it from this perspective.

[Ballade]

Hee hee. Made me lol. I guess u've proved it to me that XAS isnt better, but im still using it cuz im so far in my game with it. If i start over and use BABS then ill just quit. And No u Dont have to touch ANY of the XAS scripts to make a platformer cuz it already has the stuff in it. BABS has Alot more addons than XAS, but there all over the place. Another reason is that i cant fin d any DEMOS, not games, that explain it, cuz Im a hands on person. But anyway, a demo with most of the addons and explains them would work for me(i didnt say make it).

[Blizzard]

No big deal. If you prefer XAS, you have all right to. And you can use whichever you want, it's up to you. It's your game after all.

Actually there are a few example games out there. I even made a space shooter with Blizz-ABS in one day (it took me 7 hours) where I pretty much demonstrated how easy it is to combine custom movement routes with forced actions to make bosses act exactly the way you want them. http://forum.chaos-project.com/index.php/topic,2604.0.html
And on top you have a full manual explaining every single feature of Blizz-ABS and a configuration application that lets you configure everything using a Windows interface, just like RMXP. Scripting knowledge not required at all. XAS does not have that. Besides, for a platform game you would have to define in the scripts at least something (a skill or a weapon) so it's not true that you don't have to edit any scripts. The only thing with Blizz-ABS that you need to do with script is add them into the editor and add the generated configuration script into the editor each time you change the configuration. And that's it.
I was going to make a re-release of the main example game to demonstrate some of the newer features, but I could never finish it, because the guy who was supposed to get some additional graphics done, never did. >_>

EDIT: I actually haven't seen any XAS demos around either. The only one that I have seen is the "official" demo and a bunch of youtube videos that can't be regarded as demos. Blizz-ABS has 6 example games (one still work in progress). You can find links to all of them in the Blizz-ABS topic: http://forum.chaos-project.com/index.php/topic,106.0.html

[Dweller]

...But Blizz-ABS is compatible with loads of scripts that are already out there. XAS isn't.

Compatibility. Is impressive how you can use most of the scripts out there with Blizz-ABS. I read a lot of Blizzard posts where hi talk about compatibility and (leaving aside his script skill) this "little obsesion about compatibility" is why Blizz-ABS is so awesome (like all Blizzard scripts). Also the rest of scripters that usually post here in CP use the compatibility as one of his scripts features (g_g, winkio, foreverzero, stripe103, nath, Ryexander...).

(Winkio configuration aplic. and the help file makes Blizz-ABS very user friendly, mainly for the non scripters)

[winkio]

The short sweet explanation:

XAS is a cheap whore that dresses up nice, but is scarred and ugly, and fills you with regret.

Blizz-ABS is like that high class call girl that is a bit intimidating at first, but then gives you undeniable pleasure every time you use it.  Hell, she even does threesomes.

[Blizzard]

Threesomes. <3

Just a little digression: It's kind of ironic how SDK was supposed to make stuff more compatible and the end result was the opposite while I only scripted my scripts so they would be compatible with other scripts where people just started following my example. xD

[Lanzer]

XAS will NEVER EVER be able to emulate the Plants vs zombies game

[The Niche]

I started making EWIII using XAS. But my first enemy didn't even work.

[Markchapman10]

  well, i have litterally no knowledge of scripting but basic html.......... and idont think i can use it in rm, ive only used two abs's. and that would be for vx Vlads, and Blizzards. Both so user fereindly i can use them.... so i voter blizzabs!!!

EDIT: Ok, you may say i have no life but on a day like today reading this was the best. i read this whole thing. I learned so much about BABS and im going to try to make them all. I cant beleive how patient you are with things like this...... I would be outraged and killing my computer by when that one feller tried to say his opinion. but vlizzard, if your as patient offline as you are online then your more of a man than i am! and another thing, this may not go here but have you had schooling for your kick ass scripting or was it a side hobby?

[Blizzard]

17 pages isn't that much. xD You have no idea how much text I have read to obtain various information.

Yes, I actually have a master degree in computing, but I learned a lot of stuff independently during college.

[Markchapman10]

Can i ask you a couple Questions? i dont think they are personel...
What college did you go to?
How long did it take you to get this kick ass at scripting?
What kinda job do you have?

Sorry, lol... im 18 and was wondering if it was worth it to go to college for some type of computer deal. I was thinking about going to college for marketing, but i would rather go for something i like instead...