'Relationships', and the maturity of people as a whole

[fugibo]

Boredom.

As a result of?

I'd assume the other person's ceasing to attempt to "woo" them. I've heard that quite often. So how does one keep a fresh "bag of tricks?" (Gee, that didn't sound at all sexual, gay, or just plain strange >.>)

Just getting bored, like little kids do with new toys after a few days. Boredom.

Of course, that means that in order to have to create a lasting relationships, you both have to be Game Boys. (How's that for a gay innuendo)

[Seox]

Boredom.

As a result of?

I'd assume the other person's ceasing to attempt to "woo" them. I've heard that quite often. So how does one keep a fresh "bag of tricks?" (Gee, that didn't sound at all sexual, gay, or just plain strange >.>)

Just getting bored, like little kids do with new toys after a few days. Boredom.

Of course, that means that in order to have to create a lasting relationships, you both have to be Game Boys. (How's that for a gay innuendo)

XD

Game Boys, as in (in a serious sense)....?

Innuendo...Nice choice of word, XD.


A lot of people would argue that commitment makes a relationship last. I think that that's a load of crap. Think about it. Make the other person enjoy you, and, if they're NOT a prick, and they love you, they'll probably do the same to/for you, and be enjoyable. You both enjoy the relationship, and so you both WANT to commit, and you do. Just committing may mean that you don't cheat on each other, but it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that you have to truly enjoy your partner. Agree/Disagree?

[Vell]

Agreed. Committment isn't always a sign of enjoyment. I know people who commit to things just because they started it. So you may very well be fully 'committed' to a relationship, but not actually have your heart in it. of course, then there'd be no point in committing in the first place. Normal people feel free to have a different side. I have no other points.

[Seox]

Thank you very much, Ulta ^_^


It seems to me like it is absolutely, positively PARAMOUNT to a good relationship to get the "fire" started PROPERLY, and then to KEEP it going. Usually, people seem to screw up one or both, which messes the whole thing up in the long run. Therefore, you have to really want it for it to be as good as it could be, short, and long term. Just my $986.40.

[Blizzard]

Agreed. Committment isn't always a sign of enjoyment. I know people who commit to things just because they started it. So you may very well be fully 'committed' to a relationship, but not actually have your heart in it. of course, then there'd be no point in committing in the first place. Normal people feel free to have a different side. I have no other points.

I agree there. I've been witness to something like that. But I think commitment comes close to love or is a part of love. Commitment means that you care. It means that you are ready to endure bad times just for that special person.

[Vell]

agreed, as well. Committment IS a part of love.  Can be confusing, though, the reasons some people commit to a relationship.

[Seox]

Agreed. Committment isn't always a sign of enjoyment. I know people who commit to things just because they started it. So you may very well be fully 'committed' to a relationship, but not actually have your heart in it. of course, then there'd be no point in committing in the first place. Normal people feel free to have a different side. I have no other points.

I agree there. I've been witness to something like that. But I think commitment comes close to love or is a part of love. Commitment means that you care. It means that you are ready to endure bad times just for that special person.

I think that this is the answer:

1. commitment is not a sign of love. commitment is what some religions enforce. commitment is what's "politically correct". commitment is when two people stay together "for the kids", or "because it's right". They actually stay together, though.

2. Commitment IS a sign or love. So much, so, that, when you love someone enough, the two of you ARE committed, even though noone explicitly mentioned that. NO religion can enforce Commitment, because you can't "create" it - it tends to just appear as a result of love (meaning it rarely exists. XD). Commitment isn't even MENTIONED morally, because most people think of the #1 definition. Commitment is when two people stay toghether solely because of the fact that they could imagine no other way for them to exist without each other, happily. It's when two people love each other, genuinely, and, not "declaring it", automatically do it, without awareness of it. It stems from love, not fear.


I think that that's the answer there.

[Blizzard]

Things like "commitment to stay together for the kids" is a sign of love towards the kids, not the partner. Commitment is a sign of love or part of love (depends on how you look at it). It's just a question toward whom and for who/because of who. You can be committed to a broken marriage for the kids.

[Seox]

Things like "commitment to stay together for the kids" is a sign of love towards the kids, not the partner. Commitment is a sign of love or part of love (depends on how you look at it). It's just a question toward whom and for who/because of who. You can be committed to a broken marriage for the kids.

O_O

Completely true, and that totally slipped my mind. Interesting to note that it's a sign of love towards the kids. Usually, when you really do love the partner, you really do love the kids, and commitment to both exists, but never has to be explicitly stated. It never becomes an issue.

EDIT: And I just realized that it's nearly impossible to check my PMs.

XD

[fugibo]

Err... commitment is a symptom of more than just love, guys. It's not really a sign of "OMG I LOVEZ U!!!!1." For example, take a look at Bella and Edward. I wouldn't call it love, more a horny guy taking advantage of a hopelessly insecure and depressed moron.

[Blizzard]

And who said that love always has to be returned and that love can never result in pain? Also, in that case it's love towards sex that creates the commitment.

[fugibo]

And who said that love always has to be returned and that love can never result in pain? Also, in that case it's love towards sex that creates the commitment.

Really, Blizz, consider your statement -- "Love towards sex?" That's the only kind of love humans are capable of. That's why we love. (putting aside the other, familial types of course)

[Blizzard]

What I am trying to say is that he's a selfish asshole who loves himself more than the person he's with in order to give himself the pleasure of sexual satisfaction. He technically loves himself. Human psychology is complicated (I should get killed for this lie) and it's not so easy to interpret it (and for this one I should burn in hell).

[Seox]

Err... commitment is a symptom of more than just love, guys. It's not really a sign of "OMG I LOVEZ U!!!!1." For example, take a look at Bella and Edward. I wouldn't call it love, more a horny guy taking advantage of a hopelessly insecure and depressed moron.

XD, agrees with the last statement.


Well, I think that people DO instinctively love sex, and through experiencing it. But I ALSO think that true companionship is also something that people can grow to love, due to the level of camaraderie present, and to the constant shows of "I'm here for you, love you, and on your side."

Then, in that case, I think that you're rught. It's not really a sign of OMGLOVEZES, but true commitment USUALLY results partly because of it. It consists of many things, it's just that that's the most evident and tangible, so it's what I've called it by. Point being,

Commitment A and Commitment B differ. Commitment A comes from a mutual WANT to commit because of something. Commitment B comes from a mutual understanding, but not a mutual relationship as far as really having SOME type of caring/love/sexual stuffs and want to remain together. Commitment A happens automatically and silently. Commitments B is enforced and declared.

EDIT:

He, being a given person, and not anyone here in particular? XD.


I agree with ya on the psychology thing, Blizz. It's actually very simple, when you learn about what makes people "go."

[fugibo]

What I am trying to say is that he's a selfish asshole who loves himself more than the person he's with in order to give himself the pleasure of sexual satisfaction. He technically loves himself. Human psychology is complicated (I should get killed for this lie) and it's not so easy to interpret it (and for this one I should burn in hell).

No, it is complicated to most average people. Mainly because they're too caught up in their horrible "WOE IS ME!!!!!11" and "ZOMG I IZ SO PURDY" lives to actually notice anything useful. (lol, I should talk, I didn't even notice it was Wednesday yesterday)

Coincidentally, Randall seems to be getting better at being funny. Just a bit. He also has a Thinkpad, Blizz; what do you think of those?

[Blizzard]

I don't know. Apple makes you funnier?

[fugibo]

Wait, what? Thinkpad = Lenovo/IBM.

[Seox]

Wait, what? Thinkpad = Lenovo/IBM.

O_o

*head explode due to not knowing wtf you're talking about*


Longfellow, I think you hit the nail on the head with the fact that to most average people, psychology is hard. I've often thought about that myself. ^_^

[Vell]

Psychology is, in fact, complex. it's just, to those who think in it daily, it is not. Take coding for instance. Blizz finds it easy even to THINK in coding... I can't understand a flippin thing when i take a look at a script. but he scripts often, possibly daily, and it's something he's proficient at. so, to him, it is simple. To the rest of us, however, is the fact: it's complicated.

[Seox]

Psychology is, in fact, complex. it's just, to those who think in it daily, it is not. Take coding for instance. Blizz finds it easy even to THINK in coding... I can't understand a flippin thing when i take a look at a script. but he scripts often, possibly daily, and it's something he's proficient at. so, to him, it is simple. To the rest of us, however, is the fact: it's complicated.

I think that that is yet another great point - it's only complex to those who aren't well versed in it. I think that that holds true. ^_^