How you know when your country sucks

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Blizzard

Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 08:36:44 am
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have nothing to be proud of.


I'm sorry, but 100% of North American countries have nothing to be proud of. Seriously, you're so deep stuck up your ass that you forget a few things. Come back down to Earth.

Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 11:40:24 am
and the vestiges of a decent education system. =/


You poor deluded boy, you don't even know how much the American educational system sucks (relatively speaking and not referring to colleges).

Quote from: winkio on October 10, 2009, 12:25:23 pm
Thank goodness for rising college attendance rates, and the US college system being the most badass thing ever.  Yeah, there's still a lot of idiots that go to college and graduate, but there's a lot more people who are intelligent and can contribute to society.


You're probably right, but people graduating doesn't make the system good. Also, did you forget that one idiot can easily destroy in one moment what millions on intelligent people have built up in years? ._.
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Fallen Angel X

Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 03:40:34 pm
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 08:36:44 am
I'm sorry, but 99% of European countries have nothing to be proud of.


I'm sorry, but 100% of North American countries have nothing to be proud of. Seriously, you're so deep stuck up your ass that you forget a few things. Come back down to Earth.


Go Canada go? O_O Seriously? Even Canada?! D: We love peace and stuff ._. And I'm proud of our healthcare system >_<

Blizzard

Of course not. I just wanted to get back at him for being so obnoxious. I should have said the U.S., but the U.S. aren't a continent. ._.
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winkio

October 10, 2009, 04:18:20 pm #83 Last Edit: October 10, 2009, 04:22:41 pm by winkio
the US has its problems, no denying that, but we lead in so many areas of the professional world that it's not even funny.  And that is something to be proud of.

Also, something North America has that Europe doesn't: diversity and unity together.

Blizzard

I never said that you aren't. All I'm saying is that LF was acting like a prick underestimating Europe. "99% of European countries", that isn't even one full country. I can't stand people with an asshole attitude like that. I know that my country is pretty much screwed up and I have no problem admitting or saying that. But it's my country and I have a right to complain. LF has no right to speak bad of my country without knowing the facts, especially not about an entire continent. We all know that a war between Europe and the U.S. would end nasty for both sides meaning Europe is not something to be underestimated regardless of the numerous crappy countries here.
LF, you're an ass.
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fugibo

Wow, someone doesn't bother to learn words like "vestiges" before interpreting them to mean totally different things. "Vestige." As in, we used to not suck, but now we epic fail. And last time I checked, you weren't a major world power.

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Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 06:17:44 pm
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Then go back and read them properly because you just made an even bigger idiot out of yourself.
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fugibo

Quote from: Blizzard on October 10, 2009, 06:21:59 pm
Quote from: Longfellow on October 10, 2009, 06:17:44 pm
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Then go back and read them properly because you just made an even bigger idiot out of yourself.


Ah, crap. I just realized Germany dethrones my entire point, except for the part where their nationalism has worn off and they actually see their past actions for what they were.


...dangit.

RoseSkye

October 11, 2009, 02:23:55 am #90 Last Edit: October 11, 2009, 02:25:26 am by RoseSkye
Quote from: winkio on October 10, 2009, 04:18:20 pm
the US has its problems, no denying that, but we lead in so many areas of the professional world that it's not even funny.  And that is something to be proud of.

Also, something North America has that Europe doesn't: diversity and unity together.


Seriously? What America have you been living in.

winkio

Go visit any southwestern European country such as Spain or Italy.  Gypsies there are treated like criminals.  Spain has a bunch of divisions, one of which forms the Basque terrorist group up north.  Europe has a lot of anti-diversity movements on it's record.  The KKK are pussies compared to what some people in Europe do.

Blizzard

Sadly I have to agree. But the situation is different as well. i.e. Gypsies keep to themselves. They don't even want to be accepted or w/e. It's simply a different situation. In the U.S. black people want to be treated the same way like everybody else. That's not the case with gypsies.
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winkio

yeah, I know, different situation.  That is my point. 

Also, the US has geographic diversity, which is really important.  How many European countries have tropical islands, polar area, mountains, deserts, forests, plains, and tons of coastline?  North America has 3 large countries, Asia has 2: India and China (not counting Russia).  Europe and Africa have 0.

Blizzard

It depends on where you put Russia. xD
It's true that there is no large country in Europe, but it's not all about size.
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Russia isn't a unified nation anymore, so I'm not putting it anywhere.

RoseSkye

October 11, 2009, 12:52:03 pm #96 Last Edit: October 11, 2009, 01:32:03 pm by RoseSkye
Yeah.. lets see in Spain its Gypsies

in the U.S. its gay people... your point?

Thanks to P.C. its not so much minorities (fucked up name for non-whites.. but whatever.) but, there are times that someones fucks up.

Example:
Mix race couple shot because .. they were a mix race couple
15 year old kid killed because he was... gay
Asian killed because.. asian
Even anti white hate crimes

The Uniform Crime Reporting Program collects data about both single-bias and multiple-bias hate crimes.  For each offense type reported, law enforcement must indicate at least one bias motivation.  A single-bias incident is defined as an incident in which one or more offense types are motivated by the same bias.  A multiple-bias incident is defined as an incident in which more than one offense type occurs and at least two offense types are motivated by different biases.

   * In 2007, 2,025 law enforcement agencies reported 7,624 hate crime incidents involving 9,006 offenses.
   * There were 7,621 single-bias incidents that involved 8,999 offenses, 9,527 victims, and 6,962 offenders.
   * The 3 multiple­-bias incidents reported in 2007 involved 7 offenses, 8 victims, and 3 known offenders. (See Tables 1 and 12.)

Single-bias incidents

An analysis of the 7,621 single-bias incidents reported in 2007 revealed the following:

   * 50.8 percent were racially motivated.
   * 18.4 percent were motivated by religious bias.
   * 16.6 percent resulted from sexual-orientation bias.
   * 13.2 percent stemmed from ethnicity/national origin bias.
   * 1.0 percent were prompted by disability bias.  (Based on Table 1.)

Offenses by bias motivation within incidents

Of the 8,999 single-bias hate crime offenses reported in the above incidents:

   * 52.5 percent stemmed from racial bias.
   * 16.4 percent resulted from religious bias.
   * 16.2 percent were motivated by sexual-orientation bias.
   * 14.0 percent were prompted by ethnicity/national origin bias.
   * 0.9 percent resulted from biases against disabilities.  (Based on Table 1.)

Racial bias

In 2007, law enforcement agencies reported that 4,724 single-bias hate crime offenses were racially motivated.  Of these offenses:

   * 69.3 percent were motivated by anti-black bias.
   * 18.4 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
   * 6.0 percent were a result of bias against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group).
   * 4.6 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
   * 1.6 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias.  (Based on Table 1.)

Religious bias

Hate crimes motivated by religious bias accounted for 1,477 offenses reported by law enforcement.  A breakdown of the bias motivation of religious-biased offenses showed:

   * 68.4 percent were anti-Jewish.
   * 9.5 percent were anti-other religion.
   * 9.0 percent were anti-Islamic.
   * 4.4 percent were anti-Catholic.
   * 4.3 percent were anti-multiple religions, group.
   * 4.0 percent were anti-Protestant.
   * 0.4 percent were anti-Atheism/Agnosticism/etc.  (Based on Table 1.)

Sexual-orientation bias

In 2007, law enforcement agencies reported 1,460 hate crime offenses based on sexual-orientation bias.  Of these offenses:

   * 59.2 percent were classified as anti-male homosexual bias.
   * 24.8 percent were reported as anti-homosexual bias.
   * 12.6 percent were prompted by an anti-female homosexual bias.
   * 1.8 percent were the result of an anti-heterosexual bias.
   * 1.6 percent were classified as anti-bisexual bias.  (Based on Table 1.)

Ethnicity/national origin bias

Of the single-bias incidents, 1,256 offenses were committed based on the perceived ethnicity or national origin of the victim.  Of these offenses:

   * 61.7 percent were anti-Hispanic bias.
   * 38.3 percent were anti-other ethnicity/national origin bias.  (Based on Table 1.)

Disability bias

There were 82 reported hate crime offenses committed based on disability bias.  Of these:

   * 62 offenses were classified as anti-mental disability.
   * 20 offenses were reported as anti-physical disability.  (See Table 1.)

By offense types

Of the 9,006 reported hate crime offenses in 2007:

   * 32.4 percent were destruction/damage/vandalism.
   * 28.5 percent were intimidation.
   * 18.7 percent were simple assault.
   * 12.4 percent were aggravated assault.
   * 8.1 percent were comprised of additional crimes against persons, property, and society.  (Based on Table 2.)

Offenses by crime category

Among the 9,006 hate crime offenses reported:

   * 60.0 percent were crimes against persons.
   * 39.7 percent were crimes against property.
   * The remainder were crimes against society.  (Based on Table 2.)  (See Data Collection in Methodology.)

Crimes against persons

Law enforcement reported 5,408 hate crime offenses as crimes against persons.  By offense type:

   * 47.4 percent were intimidation.
   * 31.1 percent were simple assault.
   * 20.6 percent were aggravated assault.
   * 0.2 percent consisted of 9 murders and 2 forcible rapes.
   * 0.6 percent involved the offense category other, which is collected only in the National Incident-Based Reporting System.  (Based on Table 2.)

Crimes against property

   * The majority of the 3,579 hate crime offenses that were crimes against property (81.4 percent) were acts of destruction/damage/vandalism.
   * The remaining 18.6 percent of crimes against property consisted of robbery, burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, arson, and other crimes.  (Based on Table 2.)

Crimes against society

Nineteen offenses were crimes against society (e.g., drug or narcotic offenses or prostitution).
By victim type

When considering the type of victims among property crimes:

   * 53.7 percent were directed at individuals.
   * 11.5 percent were against businesses or financial institutions.
   * 7.4 percent were against government.
   * 6.8 percent were against religious organizations.
   * The remaining 20.6 percent were directed at other, multiple, or unknown victim types.  (Based on Table 6.)


If we are in unity, I hate to see us hate each other. We're in NO place to look down on any country saying we're living in unity and crap like that. Need I remind you nationalists exists ... well period..  You can't escape stupid no matter how hard you try. You might not be able to walk out into hatred.. but need I remind you that this unity you speak of conflicts with America period?

When you turn on the T.V. people openly and free express their hatred for gays. They are allowed to deny gay people rights. They are allowed to compare them with pedophiles, necrophiles, and things of that nature (and it pisses me off). Gay people are going through what non-whites went through in the past. Sure they can sit in front of the bus, but as soon as someone says their gay they better watch their ass. (I couldn't resist.)  You can't serve in the army while gay, you can't marry while gay.. in some states.

Of course, other people that aren't gay ignore hate crimes that happens frequently in the U.S. however they can't ignore the gays themselves (A storm is coming, anyone?)

Hate crimes will always exist, I don't give a flying fuck about that.. however, when someone can openly discriminate against gays.. that's when I get pissed off. It annoys me more that someone could say "Well, there is unity in the U.S." PFFT! Since when? Our second amendment is "The right to bare arms." Which means, yeah we have freedom to do alot of crap, but.. we don't have unity by far.

Fallen Angel X

Canada is pretty multicultural, imo. We accept gays too. Course, you're right, there always will be hate crimes. There's a lot of things that suck about my country too, though. For example, the whole debate where Quebec should or shouldn't split from Canada. And how there are extremist Quebec people ._. Though, it can't really be helped.

RoseSkye

Quote from: Fallen Angel X on October 11, 2009, 01:45:08 pm
Canada is pretty multicultural, imo. We accept gays too. Course, you're right, there always will be hate crimes. There's a lot of things that suck about my country too, though. For example, the whole debate where Quebec should or shouldn't split from Canada. And how there are extremist Quebec people ._. Though, it can't really be helped.


In America it's Texas.

winkio

Rose, I'm not saying that it's all bunnies and rainbows in the US.  I'm saying that we can all live together and make it work in general.  Sure, there are hate crimes, but it's child's play compared to what goes on elsewhere:

The Basque terrorists in Spain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ETA_attacks

I'm not saying what happens in the US is okay, but compared to Europe, we are doing a lot better.  The only prominent organized hate group is the KKK, which is declining, and there are good relations between different races, sexualities, etc. in many parts of the US.  We have laws against hate crimes, while some European countries don't.  We never have mass genocides. 

All I'm saying is that the US is nowhere near perfectly unified, but they are much better than Europe.