Hatred

Started by Blizzard, October 25, 2014, 05:14:56 pm

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Blizzard

IDK if you saw this trailer yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdEYapPXdY

IMO this game is in poor taste. Games like Postal 2 were at least tongue-in-cheek, and GTA was never depicting sadism in this kind of way where people beg you not to kill them. There has to be a boundary and I think that this game overstepped it.

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Can't believe you missed Tug's post
http://forum.chaos-project.com/index.php/topic,14617.0.html

I'm wondering who this game's intended audience is supposed to be.





   


   
   


   
   

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Quote from: KK20 on October 25, 2014, 05:29:42 pm
Can't believe you missed Tug's post
http://forum.chaos-project.com/index.php/topic,14617.0.html

I'm wondering who this game's intended audience is supposed to be.


School shooters, People with mental issues, and the like.
When i seen the trailer to this game, i couldn't believe it.. This game has bad news written all over it.

winkio

I don't know how big of a deal this is.  There are already certain cutscenes/scenarios in modern day shooters/dark action games with similar interactions, but on a much smaller scale.  There are also a number of movies with really intense, stomach turning scenes, as well as books, comics, blogs, etc.  Not everyone who is into this type of stuff is a mass murder waiting to go on a killing spree.  In fact, if you look at some of the recent events, the killers weren't really into this stuff, most were just normal people that either got into a fight over something or got into long term depression for one reason or another.

That said, I think the game is trash, and nobody would even notice it if it weren't for the media coverage.

Ranquil

Chillax, guys.

This pretty much describes how I feel about the game.
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Quote from: winkio on October 25, 2014, 07:00:46 pm
I don't know how big of a deal this is.  There are already certain cutscenes/scenarios in modern day shooters/dark action games with similar interactions, but on a much smaller scale.  There are also a number of movies with really intense, stomach turning scenes, as well as books, comics, blogs, etc.  Not everyone who is into this type of stuff is a mass murder waiting to go on a killing spree.  In fact, if you look at some of the recent events, the killers weren't really into this stuff, most were just normal people that either got into a fight over something or got into long term depression for one reason or another.

That said, I think the game is trash, and nobody would even notice it if it weren't for the media coverage.



I think the main problem in my opinion, Is the trailer for the game. Seems like the whole point of the game is to run through a neighborhood killing anybody in sight. It's just in bad taste.

Ryex

I'm on the fence.

On one hand I'm all for freedom of expression no matter what the form, after all I'v seen far more disturbing imagery in horror movies. this expression allows us to explore our own reactions and better understand and thus improve ourselves .I'm also of the opinion that interacting with the imagery like in game can allow for a more thorough digestion of the topics involved.

On the  other hand if this game isn't rated adults only it damn well should be. and and parent who buys the game for, or allows their child under an appropriate age to play it should be ashamed of themselves. only a solid mind is capable of dealing appropriately with something like this. and while that fact does not mean it should be outright banned or the authors should be criticised for it's creation it does mean that people should practice restraint in it's consumption.


I'll agree however that the trailer is completely in bad taste. a trailer should be appropriate for most viewing audiences.
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Haha yeah, I agree with what was said in that video, though, it's a game and should be treated as just that, how many people can honestly say they played a batman game then went out and tried to be a real super hero, and imo GTA is just as bad of an influence as this, the whole point of GTA is to go around the city and be a gangster lol. Steal cars, sell drugs/buy drugs, pick up prostitutes (not to metnion you can also kill people). Also honestly if you're life is so strongly influenced by a video game, you've gotta get your priorities straight. Anyways it don't look too bad I'd probably play it (if I had a console lol).

ForeverZer0

I agree with chaucer. And if you are referring to minor children who someone might try to argue can be so easily influenced, then it is the responsibility of the parents to decide if their child will play it or not, same as they decide what movies they may watch. Honestly, who has played GTA and not went on a killing spree of innocent civilians just for fun? Does that make us all run out and do it?
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I've never really found much interest in games like GTA, Saints Row, Watch_Dogs, and others that fit into such a genre. As such, I don't feel like I'm in a position where I can really say much about this game; it's a lot easier to find fault in a game when it's not the type of game that you would ever play in the first place based simply on the style of core game play, to say nothing of the other elements of the game.

As far as the trailer itself is concerned, I find myself agreeing with KK20 that the trailer doesn't seem to be very clear who it is targeting. From the elements that are presented and the clips of gameplay, it seems to be somewhere along the lines of a GTA-type game, but it could be something else. So, it's not really focusing on the gameplay. It could, then, be story based, but it also doesn't present much of a premise for a story outside of acts of graphic violence. As winkio said, violence is a spice that exists in media and is integral to a number of genres of story-telling in any form, but, in my opinion, it by itself cannot be the foundation of a story. So, the trailer isn't about the story. I guess really the only thing the trailer appears to be trying to sell, as far as I can tell, is the "atmosphere" of the game. It is at this point that, again, I find myself being far enough outside of the targeted audience that I'm unable to comment whether this is a "good" or "bad" game, aside from the fact that it doesn't look like something I would play.

At the very least, I do think it is unfortunate that, whether or not the game is good, it provides ammunition to those who villainize gaming as a hobby.

Ryex

as I understand it the core premise of the game (according to the developers) is "good old mindless violence". there is no story, no goal outside of killing as many people as you can and have fun doing it.

I know there are people for which thats a blast and for them I say "have at it, so long as you're mature enough to separate the fantasy from the reality".
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October 26, 2014, 12:30:33 am #11 Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 12:31:39 am by ForeverZer0
I don't think that anyone has ever killed because of a videogame. Sure, there are psycho kids out there that have done sick things, and have also played violent games, but you can not say that the videogame is what caused it. A more likely explanation is that sick kids who are into violence obviously enjoy violent things, such as videogames.

People who watch incest porn do so because they are sick and into that sort of thing. Watching it did not turn them that way. Everyone needs to get place things in their proper sequence and quit blaming the terrible things that people do on things that have nothing to do with it. People are sick, and will always be sick. You cannot blame a game, a movie, a song, a picture, or anything else on it. I don't know why everyone is so scared to just point out the obvious and call a fucked up 12 year old who kills his classmates what he is: a sick disturbed fuck that had serious issues way before he ever played a game. No, no, we need to blame it on something, or say that he was somehow influenced by a game or whatever else is convenient. Everyone knows the difference between shooting someone in a game, and doing so in real life, and if you don't, then no how many games you don't play, you are still going to not know the difference, and you have bigger issues that need addressed before we start worrying about your taste in games.
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October 26, 2014, 03:24:32 am #12 Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 03:30:43 am by Blizzard
Quote from: KK20 on October 25, 2014, 05:29:42 pm
Can't believe you missed Tug's post
http://forum.chaos-project.com/index.php/topic,14617.0.html

I'm wondering who this game's intended audience is supposed to be.


LOL! Yeah, it seems that I skimmed over it. O_o

@winkio: There is a big difference between having a shocking scene to deepen and the game revolving around, encouraging and glorifying massacres of innocent people. It's not about this game possibly spawning mass murderers (idiots are going to be idiots, regardless of what games they play or don't play), but about the game glorifying something horrible and depicting it as something "normal" (if you will). In other games, even games like Postal 2 or GTA, it's not your main goal to murder innocent people. There is always a context. And when some messed up stuff happens in the story, it's a shock, it's not the default setting of the entire game. Even games where you are some sort of murderer did it in a fashion where it at least made sense. Here the only point is some psycho going on a killing spree. If this game is ok, then an Auschwitz Simulator game is ok, too, because it's actually less intense.

@fjshrr5: You mean that's not the point of the game? I don't know, but the game seems to revolve around just that.

@Ryex: No, I'm not for banning the game or anything. I'm also for freedom of expression. I've seen some messed up shit in movies as well. But this game is completely insensible towards all mass shootings that ever occurred. I remember months ago that we had a discussion about whether games warp the mind and we came to the conclusion that it probably affects only younger kids. Imagine children actually playing this game. This is not a good thing.

@chaucer & F0: Yes, GTA is pretty bad in this regard. But GTA still only lets you assume a certain role that is a reality for many people. Nobody forces you to kill people or drive like a maniac off-mission. And the game doesn't encourage you to torture your victims and make them beg for their lives. This game looks like it does.

@Rose: Well said. Violence as a spice, yes, that is expression. But making the game revolve around it actively encourage sadism? No, just no.

Quote from: WhiteRose on October 25, 2014, 10:34:38 pm
At the very least, I do think it is unfortunate that, whether or not the game is good, it provides ammunition to those who villainize gaming as a hobby.


And sadly it will. :/

Quote from: Ryex on October 26, 2014, 12:17:16 am
as I understand it the core premise of the game (according to the developers) is "good old mindless violence". there is no story, no goal outside of killing as many people as you can and have fun doing it.


And I see nothing wrong with that in general. But from the trailer it doesn't look like that. It looks like part of the gameplay is actively torturing people.

@F0: I agree. And I'm not even arguing that. I don't think that anybody will turn a murderer because of this game. (There are even studies that show that people who play violent games tend to be less violent, because the game actually provides venting to them.) I'm saying that the game is wrong, because it's going way too far. If this game is ok, then Auschwitz Simulator is ok. And they're not.




And finally: Haters gonna hate Hatred, lol

EDIT: @Ranquil: She did say it pretty well. I still think they went too far though.
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So you're saying a game with an actual story is the same as an arcade game without a story?
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October 26, 2014, 08:05:10 am #15 Last Edit: October 26, 2014, 08:38:59 am by chaucer
Hmm forgive me if I offend you I don't mean to, but so let me get this right. You feel its ok to kill people in GTA cause its not part of the story, and its ok to sell drugs in it as well which in real life a lot of people do die from, also people even get murdered over drugs, but its alright cause in GTA there's a story? As well its ok to kill people in call of duty, and similar titles cause you're killing the "bad guys" but murder is murder, regardless if someone's begging for they're life or not, let's look at it this way in the Halloween movies, Michael Meyers kills people just cause they're in his way most of the time as well as Chucky in the childs play movies all the other killer/slasher movies etc, its ok in the movie right? Now let's say someone makes a video game where you play as Michael Meyers for example, wouldn't it be something similar to hatred? Except without the guns of course, would that video game cross the line, as well? If that's the case then all slasher/horror movies should be crossing the line too, take a look at the movie slashers as well as similar titles. Also, like you said no one is forced to kill in GTA unless part of the story of course, and no one is forced to buy this game or play it on that same note. Also who knows maybe you don't HAVE to kill people in hatred maybe they'll add an application system to the game where you can apply to a job at Walmart or target and live a mediocre life and grow to be a bitter old man but still hate people haha, that last part was just a joke by the way, again mean no disrespect this is only my opinion on the matter.

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No, you misunderstood me. The story is arbitrary. In GTA the point of the game, the goal of the game is not to go around and torture people. If you decide to do that, it your own choice. But in Hatred that's the whole point of the game. So by just buying the game, you are committing to this kind of gameplay (except if you can apply for a job in Walmart, lol).

If somebody made a movie of somebody going on a spree just to show all the gore without any point or context whatsoever, I would think that it's wrong, too. If somebody made a movie about the whole process and psychological breakdown of a person who then goes on a spree, that's different. That movie would have a message. It would explore the darker impulses in all of us, it would explore our psychological limits, ramifications and responsibility. Who's fault would it be? The guy who went on killing everyone or society's for pushing him that far? I mean, a movie having a killing spree could be a masterpiece for all we know if they did it right. But if they just did a shitty recording of people getting murdered and tortured without much context or point, I think that this movie wouldn't have any kind of value whatsoever. And from the trailer Hatred looks to me exactly like that. It looks like a murder spree without point or context. If they wanted to make a fun arcade shooting game where the whole point is killing stuff, that could have been done in better taste.
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chaucer

ahh ok i got it now, also sorry my last post made me come off as a d**k I think, I re-read it and it's not how I intended it so my bad on that, no offence was intended though. Actually there was a movie where a guy went on a killing spree just because, and it was a pretty damn good movie, American Psycho. He didnt go out and just shoot random people(except one guy toward the end of the movie) but he's killing pretty much just because. I think this game will have a bigger popularity for horror/slasher fans than psychotic/border-line crazy people if anything.  Also who knows, I've seen some pretty horrible game trailers, and thought this game's gonna suck but it actually came out well(same with movie titles) and vice versa so I won't pass judgement on the game yet it might have a morale at the end of the game or a twist ending, or something, however I could be wrong also. Also just cause the developers said it's "good old mindless violence" don't mean there is no plot or point to the game, it's not like in most games the developers tell you the ending(although sometimes they are as obvious as they seem).

Praelium

I think a storyline is a lame excuse for violence in games. I know enough people that play GTA just for the giant massacres, Assassin's Creed just for the assassinations, Sniper Elite for the gory killcams, ...

ForeverZer0

This is the same reason I will not play the original Mario Bros. I cannot stand the violence of jumping on the head of a Goomba, smashing the life right out of him, just for a 100 points. I have shivers just thinking about it.
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@chaucer: aamerican Psycho still had some ecploration of psychology and emotions. xD
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October 27, 2014, 01:45:13 am #21 Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 02:26:56 am by Sgt. Tuggernuts
Quote from: fjshrr5 on October 25, 2014, 06:34:13 pm
School shooters, People with mental issues, and the like.


I want to say something very horrible to you, since you just called me a psychopathic school shooter (indirectly, but still, you bundled me with the likes of murderers).
Think before you post something so dumb. That is such a damn ridiculous generalization of anyone looking forward to this game for how insanely fun it's going to be.

The target demographic is people who love senseless violence in video games, which is a large chunk of gamers.
Not school shooters, not people with mental issues. Jesus, I am finding it so hard to not rip you one right now. Your post really pissed me off.
But I'll just leave it alone now.

Anyways, I'm not going to look over this thread to see if it was already said, but:
Violence doesn't need a story to be justifiable in a video game. It's not real, none of it is, and the whole
"GTA's violence is okay because of the story dawg" excuse is incredibly dumb, in my humble opinion, and is not a good justification of the killing you do in the game at all.

It's a video game, so anything you do in it does not need a reason (Hatred is an arcade game, after all, and arcade games for years had no reason for what's happening in them at all).
If the game just wants you to do it, that's that. You do it. Not really an issue. None of it is real. And let's not forget, the biggest draw of GTA is the ability to go on senseless massacres outside of the story missions (at least it is for me and countless other people).  So, when you think about it, Hatred is a game that has existed for years in GTA and GTA clones, so the outrage is not justified at all.

I just don't understand why a story is needed to kill people.
I mean, am I supposed to feel good about murdering Blume employees in Watch_Dogs because the story has them working for the big bad data-mining company?
These are people with lives and families, but I can still kill them. Nobody should feel any better about it because the story has you do it.

But hey, I'm a psychopathic school shooter, so maybe my perception of reality is just warped beyond repair. :V:
(now I'll leave it alone)

ON A LIGHTER NOTE:
Best parody of the trailer, I think.


EDIT:
Also, the existence of this petition makes my damn blood boil.

Blizzard

October 27, 2014, 03:14:54 am #22 Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 03:21:52 am by Blizzard
Quote from: Sgt. Tuggernuts on October 27, 2014, 01:45:13 am
so the outrage is not justified at all.


Good. Then you have nothing against an Auschwitz Simulator. Or Torture Simulator.

And you should have read the topic. Nobody is saying that there has to be a story. You are completely missing the issue.

EDIT: In a nutshell, games have been censored and called insensitive for a lot less. I remember that one war game had to be changed, because the families of the dead soldiers felt offended. I can't remember which war it was about (a recent one) and what exactly happened anymore. But yeah. This game is basically a middle finger to all people who lost close ones in shootings like this, because it makes it the whole point of playing. That's the issue. They are marketing it as a "school shooter" on purpose. Regardless if they are doing it for marketing reasons only or not, this is still a giant dick move. And IMO this is too far.

War is war, people die for various reasons (economic, political, patriotic, etc.). But school shootings are totally unnecessary and shouldn't happen.
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October 27, 2014, 04:34:22 am #23 Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 04:52:55 am by Sgt. Tuggernuts
Quote from: Blizzard on October 27, 2014, 03:14:54 am
Quote from: Sgt. Tuggernuts on October 27, 2014, 01:45:13 am
so the outrage is not justified at all.

And you should have read the topic. Nobody is saying that there has to be a story. You are completely missing the issue.


I was actually referring to the general outrage over the game, and what I brought up is an argument many people use.
When I mentioned me not reading the topic, I also meant to see if anyone else mentioned that argument everyone seems to be using.

Also, maybe I missed something somewhere down the line, but going off my current knowledge, Hatred doesn't let you shoot up schools. :/

EDIT:
Yeah, I'm trying to find something that says you can, but I just find references to it being a cause for future school shootings (which it has no more potential for doing so than your average violent game). Or maybe I read your post wrong, but this bit...

Quote from: Blizzard on October 27, 2014, 03:14:54 am
They are marketing it as a "school shooter" on purpose.


...makes it seem like you thought that was the case. It's not even marketed as a school shooter, and there aren't even any children/teens in the trailer.
Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you at all.

EDIT 2:
But yeah, misunderstandings aside...
No, I'm not missing the issue. I understand full well everyone's problem with the game.
The violence is very gruesome, what with how people beg you not to kill them (Watch_Dogs did that too, and realistically like this game does, but whatever), and because of that, some people consider it going too far. I do not. It's all so stupid to me, seeing as it's a game, and not real, and it's certainly not the first game to do this.

And the other issue people are having, is the lack of a story to justify the rampages, which is, to me, an incredibly laughable argument.
This game is getting much more shit than it deserves. If it wasn't advertised with the ultra-edgy trailer, yet we got the same game displayed in said trailer on release, the outrage across the internet would be far less prevalent. At least I think so.

BASICALLY, I see how all of you think it's an issue, but in the end, it just isn't an issue like everyone seems to think.

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That's why I said "school shooter" and not school shooter. The point is going on a murder spree. Whether you go shooting up a school or the streets doesn't really make much of a difference.
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October 27, 2014, 05:18:11 am #25 Last Edit: October 27, 2014, 05:19:29 am by Sgt. Tuggernuts
Oh, I see.

Eh, seeing as I'm the kind of person that plays GTA games and GTA-like games for violent, lengthy massacres, this doesn't bother me.
I guess this is going to disgust anyone who plays those games purely for the missions. :P

Still seems like a large non-issue to me, considering how widely accepted this type of gameplay is.
To me, it feels like the video game tabloids chose the violent game with the edgiest trailer to make their target. :)

chaucer

here's a few more movies with senseless violence without any psychological aspects to it, House of 1000 Corpses, Devils Rejects, Hills Have eyes(new versions). If you think theres a deeper meaning than it might have went over my head lol also if we're counting all forms of media this song crosses the line too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edygRjdfOPQ(I think this one would come closest to the plot of this game) and every other song like it there's plenty. Everyone has they're freedom to think and decide for themself, and that's what makes this world so beautiful and keeps life interesting, if everyone shared the same views life would be pretty bland, anyways I'll end my argument here.

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@Tuggernuts: Yeah, it's more of a context thing than gameplay.

@chaucer: Yeah, they have senseless violence and nobody really cares. But if the setting was Nazi Germany and Jews would be getting killed in those movies, you can bet your ass that people would stir up shit. xD
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oh of course, there's no doubt about that, some things shouldn't be made, and aren't for a reason. But there doesn't seem to be any jews in the game, haha I was gonna make a joke but I don't wanna stereotype, anyways I'm not a fan of racism/religious intolerance, but if someone made a game about killing/stereotyping mexicans specifically It wouldn't bother me(I'm mexican american, also part part indian) a video game is just that, real life is another story(although stereotyping irl wouldnt bother me).
P.S. Offtopic: fact the first jews were from africa!

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An Auschwitz Simulator is not just random violence, it is racism of the highest degree, and not "random" at all, so I think that is a very poor example.
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So torturing people is ok as long as it's not racist?
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Feels like a psychotic overview metal slug game, which btw love how it seems to play out (gameplay-wise).

I mean sure the trailer gives you a protagonist with imo a rather weak motive,(and seems like a badly written fanfic character)
but then again this IS a videogame, no plot? no problem!

I'm pretty sure whoever buys this won't do it for the plot at all, I mean
if you're going isometric with what seems to be a run and gun styled game you might as well drop all the plot
and go all rambo on it.

as disturbing as it might be to some, people might see it as "wowm this is edgy as hell" all I see is "Heavy Machine Gun!!" (and hopefully "Rocket Lawnchair!")
I'll not go over the implications I'd rather just go for the high score, then again the biggest threat the game's having atm is that
once we hear all the dialogue clips just like metal slug it won't live long due to lack of replay value (like many other shooters)
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Quote from: Blizzard on October 27, 2014, 09:43:19 am
So torturing people is ok as long as it's not racist?


Yes, exactly. Now you are getting it.
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A video from RTU I agree with.



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Zexion

Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume that we all "like" and/or accept the violence in GTA? If that's the argument the other side is making, they'd have to be sure that everyone was fine with violence in other games. Just because no one is making a "big deal" about it, doesn't mean that everyone is fine with it. GTA had it's own share of controversy back in the day. It's died down though as it's pretty much been the same shet in every game, senseless unrealistic rampage.  This trailer takes it to a whole new level and it's really not hard to see why someone would be offended.

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Who's ready for a pedophile game? You play an ice cream man trying to lure children into your van, all while not alerting the parents and the police.
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October 28, 2014, 12:35:01 am #37 Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 12:44:57 am by Sgt. Tuggernuts
Quote from: Zexion on October 28, 2014, 12:20:53 am
Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume that we all "like" and/or accept the violence in GTA? If that's the argument the other side is making, they'd have to be sure that everyone was fine with violence in other games. Just because no one is making a "big deal" about it, doesn't mean that everyone is fine with it. GTA had it's own share of controversy back in the day. It's died down though as it's pretty much been the same shet in every game, senseless unrealistic rampage.  This trailer takes it to a whole new level and it's really not hard to see why someone would be offended.


Sorry, but the majority of the gaming community accepts GTA for what it is, and has for a little while now.

And yeah, like I said, I see why people get offended.
I just find it incredibly ridiculous, and that's just my opinion.

Quote from: ForeverZer0 on October 28, 2014, 12:24:23 am
Who's ready for a pedophile game? You play an ice cream man trying to lure children into your van, all while not alerting the parents and the police.


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EDIT:
Just to make my point a bit more clear:
When something is already so established and accepted in gaming, you can't shit on one game for doing the same damn thing, albeit just a bit different (by that I mean the sadistic speech in the trailer). Despite that small difference, it is the same thing. And no, I'm not talking about any of you in particular, I'm talking about everyone in general. The outrage from blobs of SJWs.

"Journalists" who praise GTA are attacking this game, and the staggering amount of hypocrisy behind it all is hi-lar-ious.

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It's not hipocrisy if one game simply goes beyond your boundaries.

@F0: Yeah, this game would be offensive, because of its context and what it's depicting.
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What about that game done in a humorous tone?

The rampant pedo jokes on CP would make it seem it'd not get on the nerves of most of you.

Zexion

Fracken f0, trolling this topic lol

Also, pedo jokes != accepting pedophilia. We make rape jokes, doesn't mean we want a game about rape. Common sense :B
For some reason you have this idea that if we accept or tolerate a certain subject even a small portion, that we are required to tolerate it to all extremes which is just not the case. That's why we has brain + common sense

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October 28, 2014, 01:50:26 am #41 Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 01:55:44 am by Sgt. Tuggernuts
Rape and pedophilia jokes piss off a lot of people just as much (if not more, due to making light of such a serious subject) as accepting it.
That is common sense, Zexion. By your logic, I can make a comedic game about 911 or the Columbine massacre (serious and touchy subjects for people, like rape and pedophilia), and that'd be a-okay. I mean, I don't give a fuck if something like that is made one way or another, but you seem to be a part of the group that cares if it is made one way.

Also, no need to start throwing insults. I have a brain, thanks.

Zexion

It wasn't meant to be an insult geez   :blargh:
I was just pointing out that we have a brain to tell the differences between a joke and an insult. The difference between a joke and a game is that we are literally experiencing the game. It just gets too real, man. People have problems with real

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Oh, I read that wrong. Sorry.

Anyways, when I play video games, I don't let what I'm playing bother me simply because it's not real, since it's... a video game. I dunno, I think if plenty of people tried on that mindset, they'd get more enjoyment out of their gaming hobby.

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Postal 2 IS a controversial game. But it didn't go beyond my personal boundaries. While Hatres does.
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Fair enough, Brois.

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I found the trailer rather humorous-- especially the first part where he starts saying all that cheesy stuff.

The game will turn into a disaster upon release, though.

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Quote from: winkio on October 25, 2014, 07:00:46 pm
I don't know how big of a deal this is.  There are already certain cutscenes/scenarios in modern day shooters/dark action games with similar interactions, but on a much smaller scale.  There are also a number of movies with really intense, stomach turning scenes, as well as books, comics, blogs, etc.  Not everyone who is into this type of stuff is a mass murder waiting to go on a killing spree.  In fact, if you look at some of the recent events, the killers weren't really into this stuff, most were just normal people that either got into a fight over something or got into long term depression for one reason or another.

That said, I think the game is trash, and nobody would even notice it if it weren't for the media coverage.


You reference Movies and cutscenes, thoses aren't actually you making the choice to kill people generally. It's how the developer wants it.

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I don't like the idea of this game, it looks poorly planned even.


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May 24, 2015, 08:18:59 am #48 Last Edit: May 24, 2015, 08:23:43 am by Blizzard
I've sent an email back then to Extra Credits about the game.

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QuoteHello Extra Credits Team,

I don't know if you already knew, but there is a new upcoming game that... well, just taking things a bit too far. I'm talking about Hatred. Here is a link to the trailer if you haven't seen it yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdEYapPXdY

I'm a game developer myself and I've played and enjoyed many violent and gritty games over the years, but this is game just going too far IMO. The whole point of the game is murdering and torturing innocent people. In GTA you can do that, but it's not the main point. In Postal 2 you could do it, too, but it's still not the point of the game. It's even portrayed in a tongue-in-cheek kind of way and isn't taking itself too seriously. But Hatred looks different.

I'm all for freedom of speech and expression, but the coming of this game is not a good thing. Of course I don't believe that it will cause any actual violence to happen, but there is simply something unsettling about this game. I think it's crossing the boundary of good taste and is insensible towards mass shooting victims and their families.

In any case, I would love to see an episode about this game to see what you think and maybe about this issue in general. Because if this game is ok, then an Auschwitz Simulator would be ok, too. And that would be just insensible.


And they made an episode on it. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6xQlnzffRg
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So, Hatred's out, and it's as fun as I thought it would be.

Which is, to say, very fun.