How is this possible?

Started by winkio, December 08, 2009, 02:13:05 am

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winkio

December 08, 2009, 02:13:05 am Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 02:16:47 am by winkio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJbAE6BmHo&feature=topvideos

Yeah, another bullshit video.  This one is special because it's isolation has not been disturbed.  That is to say, it has met no opposition, all viewers are of the same opinion.

I'm not posting this because of the video content.  It is inconsequential.  The comments, on the other hand, are of great importance.  Read them, all 120.  My point is this:

How are these people allowed to be so isolated from society?  The viewers of this video have no sense of reality, logic, and in some cases, morals.  Why do these groups develop and how is it possible for them to exist without their isolation being broken, without them being educated or challenged?

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  • I think the Title is perfect! Thank you for another great video! I pray for Israel! The neighbors of Israel can never be satisfied as Satan is never satisfied! They are one and the same... evil!

  • Peace and Security and Safety will only come when Jesus comes. Man can not live in peace because of their sin.
    Those who hate Israel speak of peace when their are seven abominations in their hearts.

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Starrodkirby86

What if these guys were the same people but only multi-accounting?

I don't really have anything to say. I'm not surprised though. We never really learn so much to those other cultures and nations a lot. It takes effort to learn and accept someone else's culture. So what do we do? Generalize. Stereotype. Crack jokes. It turns into some sort of myth. Blah...hideous whatever.

*sleeps*

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winkio

I think you are overlooking the fact that this is a perfect example of the process of how people form their horribly skewed views of the world.  It also demonstrates the negative effects of religion.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is significant at so many levels, and there are so many things to analyze about it, so don't oversimplify it.

Starrodkirby86

Yeah, it is significant...It's just that I remember how my teacher emphasized this a lot last year when treating other cultures. Maybe seeing it a second time isn't as exciting for me.

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Fantasist

This is exactly the sort of thing that makes me hate theists (not all of them, but most). Just look at some of those comments!

QuoteI think the Title is perfect! Thank you for another great video! I pray for Israel! The neighbors of Israel can never be satisfied as Satan is never satisfied! They are one and the same... evil!


QuoteNo peace with muslims, Its all part of the NWO, fuck them all, i hope we nuke the lot of you. Onwards And Upwards Christian Soldiers


What the fuck!? These are the people who bring bad name to their religion. They live in their own fucking pathetic world and are ruled by their distorted beliefs. I hate these people. I wish they are nuked. No, I wish they are tortured to death  :<_<:

Now to your question winkio: The world is a sick place. It's pathetic, and it's hell. There is good in the world, but unfortunately, it's scarce. We are at a point where we need to peer through the looking glass to find something (someone) good. From that perspective, this is quite normal. Sad.
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legacyblade

Just to say something, there are moronic freaks like this of every viewpoint. Yes, even for atheism. Gotta remember that there are just a great deal of morons in the world of every culture race and ideology. As a very religious person, I don't condone the sorts of behaviors those sort of "Christians" exhibit. (I mean if they even understood the basics of the religion, they'd see just how in conflict their views are with the faith they claim to hold).

Just my rant :P To sum it up "they're morons because they're morons, not because they're religious. I know plenty of morons who act pretty much the same about their views, except for the fact that some of these morons are atheists rather than 'Christians' "

(honestly, why are there so many morons in the world anyways?)

winkio

Don't detach the crime from the criminal.  It's not just anyone that becomes this confused about reality.  Fanaticism is not limited to religious people, but that doesn't mean that religion has nothing to do with it.  Religion fosters these types of beliefs, creates a barrier for the believers, and gives the power to the believers.  Again, religion is not the only thing that does this, but it is by far the biggest.

You can't decide what religion someone else is.  You cannot say that these people are not Christians: they believe in the fundamental beliefs of the religion.  Just because they are fanatics does not mean that you can exclude them.

Now I'm already starting to answer my question, but the HOW is what I'm interested in.  How does this 'transformation' into a fanatic take place?  Isolation is a very large component, yet people still become fanatics even when they aren't isolated.

legacyblade

But then again think of Hitler and the Nazis. They were fanatics of their cause, a cause that I don't think could be called religious. Besides, the basic tenet of Christianity is to love and to serve people (Jesus said the greatest commandment was to love God more than yourself. Just below this is to love every man/woman as much as yourself. Especially your enemies. Religious fanaticism, particularly focused around hatred or violence towards others, is not supported by the teachings of Christ.)

As for HOW the transformation occurs? I think humans are very radical creatures. Think about it, when you REALLY like a game, you run the risk of passing into a fanatical state, putting almost all your mind and energy into it. That's a tame example, but if you think about it, it's rather similar. The reason matters of religion and philosophy tend to get blown up in this regard is that people view them as actually important. While people will act like fanatical zealots on forums in the "subs vs dubs" war, none of those zealots will go and burn down 4kids, simply because it doesn't matter to them the same way things like religion do. Humans in their basest forms are fanatics. And we tend to regress into this state, particularly when we care about something. Isolation or anger are generally the largest fuel to the fire, though.

winkio

Holy shit, I was just going to write a paragraph, but then this came out of 2:30 am:

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See, I disagree, I think that humans start out in a state of wonder about the universe, open to every new idea and opportunity.  Then, they learn theories that explain the world, thus making them close out other theories that conflict too much with their own.  I think that fanaticism is the result of believing in your theories so fiercely that you cannot consider others, that is, you will destroy other theories so that yours will not be conflicted.  This seems more like a move of desperation to me, something one would do without thinking when they are overwhelmed.  It is not in our base state that we are fanatics, but in our most distressed or most emotional state.  This can easily explain how anger or desperation can cause fanaticism, but then, what about isolation?  One possibility is that it is the jump from isolation into large-scale contact that overwhelms people, but there is a problem: that does nothing to explain the fanaticism beforehand.  Thus discarding the jump theory, I think that it is the excess of thought due to isolation that causes fanaticism.  As one spends a large amount of time thinking about only one theory, it solidifies in their mind.  I argue that this solidification is what causes the fanaticism .

Now the fanaticism from isolation has very different properties that the emotional one.  First, isolation causes the long-term solidification that is nearly impossible to undo, while emotional rushes can cause dynamic solidification, it is neither stable nor long lasting, thus it will usually revert.  I say usually because perhaps in special cases, such as deep hatred or anger, the emotion can solidify into the person, along with the theories it supports, thus creating a fanatic much like the isolated one.  The dynamic fanatics (emotional rushes) can be extremely dangerous in an instant, but the solidified fanatics have the capacity for much worse over a longer period of time.

So what forces in society today create fanatics, and specifically what types?
Dynamic:
  Movies/music/mass media/popular culture
  Pressure/stress
  Intense situations
Solidified:
  Single dominating emotions (Ex. greed, love, etc.)
  Religion
  Isolation

So now that fanaticism has been examined, it raises the question: how can we make sure to avoid it?  First, I would say that the only way to truly avoid fanaticism is to not care or think about anything.  Since that is both unrealistic and inhuman, I would suggest revising the question to deal with solidified fanaticism, as it is far more detrimental to a person's future.  The first defense is to be intellectually stimulated.  The introduction of new knowledge into a system will help to prevent solidification, especially when it conflicts with personal theories.  Second, human interaction helps to prevent solidification in a similar manner, but only in an open interaction, that is, only if both parties have not yet solidified.  If one party's mind has solidified, it will not be able to interact with the other, thus creating a dead exchange, which would end up solidifying the other mind.  Lastly, be sure to accept the uncertainty of your personal theories, whatever they may be.  Uncertainty does not make a theory false or incorrect; rather, it is a simple reminder that your knowledge is not absolute.  Accepting this uncertainty will prevent solidifying of any theory, as they all have their element of uncertainty.


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Just adding to the "fanatics are not just religious" part:
Pyramid schemers do the same. Seriously, those guys can act fanatically if you don't share their views or point out a flaw in their theories (which is basically there due to the fact that it's a pyramid scheme). It looks like a sect.
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Diokatsu

How about we stop judging people.

winkio

wait, how is that at all related?

legacyblade

We're not judging people, Dio (or at least not me :P), I'm just commenting on the state people can get into.

And winkio, I I think how we act when our control on our emotions wains is our natural state. For example, some people (not everyone) become very violent and angry when they're tired or haven't had enough food. Whereas others become very complacent and submissive. How we act when things aren't going how we want are base states, in my opinion.

My solution about fanaticism is just to take a chill pill :P I had mono for a few years, so I had to learn to conserve my energy. Being fanatical is just not worth the energy. So thus, I eat a tic tac, and call it good :P

winkio

So then is an adrenaline rush a base state?  not sleeping for 48 hours is straight a base state?  Having internal bleeding is a base state? 

Sorry, but that honestly sounds like complete bullshit.  Emotional swings and extraordinary circumstances are what disrupt the normal flow of a person's life.

Your solution isn't a bad one though.  Calming down solves many problems :).

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Quote from: legacyblade on December 14, 2009, 08:54:03 am
We're not judging people, Dio (or at least not me :P), I'm just commenting on the state people can get into.

And winkio, I I think how we act when our control on our emotions wains is our natural state. For example, some people (not everyone) become very violent and angry when they're tired or haven't had enough food. Whereas others become very complacent and submissive. How we act when things aren't going how we want are base states, in my opinion.

My solution about fanaticism is just to take a chill pill :P I had mono for a few years, so I had to learn to conserve my energy. Being fanatical is just not worth the energy. So thus, I eat a tic tac, and call it good :P


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December 15, 2009, 02:53:43 pm #18 Last Edit: December 15, 2009, 02:57:27 pm by legacyblade
Tic tacs are amazing.

And winkio, I meant it more in the sense that if we don't work at it, we naturally fall into those sorts of states. Ihings involving rushes of chemicals or injuries are not natural states, I didn't say that. There's a difference between saying "Who we are under pressure is our natural state" and "who we are when we just watched a little girl with invisible hands tear apart our family members is our natural state". There's a difference between pressure and extreme circumstances. It's like an old building, it just gets worse and worse unless you work at fixing it up. That's what I'm saying.

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January 12, 2010, 03:28:08 pm #19 Last Edit: January 12, 2010, 03:29:43 pm by NAMKCOR
So you don't agree with them and that makes them less intelligent than you, and somehow pathetic?
That's just kinda biased.

It's statements like that which perpetuate the state of society that we have today, where people are condemned for their differences and treated as lesser beings because of them.

Who cares if they are extremely religious, be happy that if what they believe in doesn't happen, that you were right, but don't condemn them and call them pathetic, that's putting you on the exact same level as the fundies that condemn everyone with the Bible for not being part of their church.

If you truly want to be a 'better' person than them, then don't judge based on belief; because regardless of the semantics you use, or whatever you want to call it in order to justify it, that's exactly what you're doing, you're simply condemning and judging because some group of people that believe something you don't.


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legacyblade

@Nam, that'ts kinda what I was saying :P There are morons and fanatics in every group. They'd be moron fanatics even without religion. Besides, Atheism is a religion with sects of its own. Many people our bound together by the belief in a lack of God. Rather than Jesus, they've got Darwin or Einstein. It isn't what they believe, but the type of person they are, that makes them behave in such a manner. While their behavior is based around their belief, replace their belief in God with Atheism and you'd see similar things, but them saying how all religion is going to cease, all Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. are morons.

tSwitch

January 12, 2010, 07:33:31 pm #21 Last Edit: January 12, 2010, 07:36:03 pm by NAMKCOR
Quote from: legacyblade on January 12, 2010, 07:20:24 pm
@Nam, that'ts kinda what I was saying :P There are morons and fanatics in every group. They'd be moron fanatics even without religion. Besides, Atheism is a religion with sects of its own. Many people our bound together by the belief in a lack of God. Rather than Jesus, they've got Darwin or Einstein. It isn't what they believe, but the type of person they are, that makes them behave in such a manner. While their behavior is based around their belief, replace their belief in God with Atheism and you'd see similar things, but them saying how all religion is going to cease, all Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. are morons.


so following your logic, you're saying everyone in the world is a moron.
well alright then, moron :)

edit: you also said that being that devoutly religious is a state that you fall into when 'not working' at being 'better'.  What is being devoutly religious a disease now?  Seriously?


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legacyblade

No. Being a fanatic is something you transition in if you're not careful. (at least if it's a cause you actively care about). And I didn't say everyone in the world was a moron. I just said that people will be morons regardless of their beliefs. I've known just as many moron Atheists (Atheists who act like the guys in that youtube thread) as I've known  moron religious people. My point is that it isn't their belief that makes people that way, it's who they are and what they do. There have been plenty of fanatic Athiests who have slaughtered people for their belief in a religion. Just like their have been religious fanatics who slaughter Athiests for a belief in no God.

To sum it up "People will be morons. Religion has nothing to do with it."

tSwitch

and that gets back to my main point, instead of calling them 'morons' (which is just a very quiet way of saying that you are better than them), don't judge based on actions.

it makes you as bad as them.


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legacyblade

Actually, there's a pretty big difference between judging between right and wrong methods of behavior, and being blind to what the world is really like and your own actions. Personally, I acknowledge that I'm rather a moron on frequent occasions, but that doesn't mean I'm being bad when I look at how they're acting and say "man, that's stupid." Personally, I also think smoking is stupid, but that doesn't mean I'm condemning those who smoke from my high and mighty tower built atop my glorious perfection :P

Diokatsu

Christian ethics: Judge actions not people. Sums things up nicely.

tSwitch

Quote from: Diokatsu on January 12, 2010, 08:36:17 pm
Christian ethics: Judge actions not people. Sums things up nicely.


I'm not Christian but I agree with this.


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Diokatsu

Quote from: NAMKCOR on January 12, 2010, 09:05:08 pm
Quote from: Diokatsu on January 12, 2010, 08:36:17 pm
Christian ethics: Judge actions not people. Sums things up nicely.


I'm not Christian but I agree with this.

Same here. Hard not to agree.

legacyblade

I'm christian, and I agree with it I just also think most of us (including especially myself :P) have the tendency towards being morons.