I am lying

[winkio]

I've gotten so good at lying that I sometimes am unable to determine whether my own statements are truth or lie as I make them.  I think that's enough to get my labeled as a pathological liar.  I don't lie to fool people, I just like messing around with reality, reshaping the truth, etc.  But I do it far too often, and for no apparent reason.

So yeah, the real meaning behind that quote in my sig comes to light.

[Spaceman McConaughey]

I've gotten so good at lying that I sometimes am unable to determine whether my own statements are truth or lie as I make them.  I think that's enough to get my labeled as a pathological liar.  I don't lie to fool people, I just like messing around with reality, reshaping the truth, etc.  But I do it far too often, and for no apparent reason.

So yeah, the real meaning behind that quote in my sig comes to light.

I honestly do not see how that can be true unless you have some kind of mental disability.

[G_G]

winkio I know what you're talking about. I spout utter lies for no apparent reason on occasions that don't even matter. Most of the time these lies are what I believe what really happened. Its weird.

[Spaceman McConaughey]

I just do not get how that even works. I know right away when I am lying, and it is impossible me to convince myself otherwise.

And apparently you guys can determine they're lies since you're acknowledging so right in this thread, so you did not actually believe them.

You guys are odd. O:

[ForeverZer0]

I just do not get how that even works. I know right away when I am lying, and it is impossible me to convince myself otherwise.

And apparently you guys can determine they're lies since you're acknowledging so right in this thread, so you did not actually believe them.

You guys are odd. O:

This.

[Blizzard]

I've gotten so good at lying that I sometimes am unable to determine whether my own statements are truth or lie as I make them.  I think that's enough to get my labeled as a pathological liar.  I don't lie to fool people, I just like messing around with reality, reshaping the truth, etc.  But I do it far too often, and for no apparent reason.

So yeah, the real meaning behind that quote in my sig comes to light.

I don't "lie", I mess around, I "play". It's natural. Have fun with it.

@Branden: It's not that he literally doesn't know whether he's lying or not. It's just that when he starts talking about something and is making it up on the spot, he acts congruently to that. He acts as if it's true and he doesn't even think about how he's lying. It's like this.

Woman: But you said, you weren't gonna have sex with me tonight! How did that happen?
Me: I say a lot of things. Don't listen to what I say.

I don't lie about serious stuff. If somebody asks me what I do for a living, I tell them I'm a garbage man if I'm in the mood to mess around. If somebody asks me which programming languages I know, I tell them.

[Subsonic_Noise]

I rarely lie to people, but if I'm interviewed or have to fill out a question form for something? I start talking bullshit like there is no tomorrow, in a completely serious manner.

[Blizzard]

When I lie to mess around, depending on the situation I act as if I'm messing around or actually being serious. Their faces are priceless after I make a totally serious statement and then snicker for a moment because they believed me. xD

[Vell]

I once convinced an entire group of people on the internet that I was a woman through insane, long-reaching plots and lies.

Dude, it just takes not wanting to lie anymore.

[Ryex]

I know exactly what G_G and Winkio are talking about. I'm willing to bet that all three of us would have near perfect poker faces.

[winkio]

Find the word in every post: 'I'

How ironic.  I could go into a rant about this sort of thing, but instead, I'm just gonna abandon thread.

[PhoenixFire]

Find the word in every post: 'I'

No, you only think that's in every post. This current post does not, with the exception of the quote.


EDIT: MUAHAHHAAAAA

[Vell]

Find the word in every post: 'I'

How ironic.  I could go into a rant about this sort of thing, but instead, I'm just gonna abandon thread.

So, what? Relating to you the fact that you're not the -only- one is something that irritates you?

What, is this supposed to be a topic where we all go 'You're a bastard and you should feel bad'? Fuck that - you're a pretty chill fellow, and if you lie a lot, that's alright, we all do as well

If you honestly thing it's a psychological issue that you don't feel comfortable/confident in facing alone, there's people who can help you, professionally. We, your friends, are not those people. We're a bunch of fellow nerds and geeks from the intarwebnet who understand that we lie a lot, and that doesn't make us special in any way. You lie. You lie so often, you do it without thinking.

That's actually pretty damn common. It's one of the things that can help a person get very far in life. Lie, squash the people beneath you... it's ruthless. It's cunning. If it disagrees with your morals, do something about it.

But if you're going to abandon thread just because other people expressed empathy I'm going to have to lose a bit of respect for you.

[winkio]

Oh no, it has nothing to do with that, it's just I made this topic when I was really tired and had completely forgotten not to be personal on this site for a multitude of reasons, one of which is everyone's obsession with themselves.

I would leave it at that, but I have to address you saying you would lose a bit of respect for me.  Go ahead, do it anyway, it's not something I value highly like my ability to express myself, or think, or live.  Honestly some of you seem to judge so quickly that I know that even if you are at my throat today, you are just as likely to be at my side tomorrow.

I'd just like everyone to chill out so I can abandon this thread in peace.  That is all.

[PhoenixFire]

*deletes thread*

[G_G]

I once convinced an entire group of people on the internet that I was a woman through insane, long-reaching plots and lies.

Dude, it just takes not wanting to lie anymore.

I don't care what you say, you are either a man, woman, or a transvestite. Which one is it Ulta. I wanna know D:

[Vell]

You got issues mang.

[Blizzard]

Find the word in every post: 'I'

I thought you wanted to talk about that topic, not about yourself. ._.

[Subsonic_Noise]

I thought you wanted to talk about that topic, not about yourself. ._.

Never assume that when it comes to winkio.

[Blizzard]

@winkio: Also, pretty much what you said about everyone being obsessed with themselves. It's default behavior for everybody. Everybody is obsessed about themselves and what others think of them. That's all there is.

[winkio]

Everybody was trying to tell me that they knew exactly what I felt because of their experiences.  I welcome you talking about your experiences.  I welcome you relating to me.  Both of those responses show interest. 

Here's another thing - how many question marks are in the posts that use the word 'I'?  Zero.  You aren't exploring the possibilities of the lying, myself, or any of this.  Everybody wants to declare how they are knowledgeable and helpful because of their own experiences.  And then once people put their experiences forward, they spend their time clarifying, embellishing, and proving them. 

There is more to this world than your own experiences.  Sometimes, the best reply is simply to sit still with your ears and your mind open.

[Blizzard]

Again, sorry. I've gotten so used to keep these kind of questions only to myself and express only empathy that I simply "understand" by offering a similar experience because people often don't want advice, just to be understood.
Meh, I'm rambling.

[Vell]

people often don't want advice, just to be understood.

This is the view I get. In th eexperience I have if people went around searching for advice, they go to a professional for it. They go to friends for understanding, empathy, and sympathy. Sometimes trying to hand out advice to a friend gets them wrinkly and confrontational. Sometimes they're genuinely seeking advice, but that's not the tone I got from your post.

When I read your post it came off like 'here's my issue everyone.' There was no subtext or blatant questioning asking 'what do I do about it?' - and even so, I still said 'All it takes is not wanting to lie anymore.' Hell - I assume you already know as much. And really, Wink? The way you're expressing your disappointment in -not- receiving the advice you sought is childish.

"I didn't get what I want; I'm just going to leave" "Still posting? I dislike you all. >:/" Sure, that's a dangerous and gross over exaggeration, but it details in major what people might interpret from your posts in minor. You said earlier that you wanted to abandon this thread because you saw "I" in every post, without elaboration. Then, in response to a post or two you said "Everyone's centered on themselves" and the general context and tone suggested it was in a derogatory fashion.

At this point you're coming off as confrontational, not sympathetic, and even the truest of friends may have a difficult time continuing to express empathy. And now your next post is finally detailing -why- you're responding as you are - You wanted advice, not empathy.

My advice? Next time you want advice on an issue, state it. And if you forgot, because your human, and you got empathy where you wanted advice, calmly explain that to the group you're asking. Say "Your empathy helps friends. I was looking for advice on the issue though; any suggestions?"

Also, a final point. If you wanted advice, your second post served only to get the idea in peoples heads that you didn't want advice, because you felt that we were incapable of delivering it due to some perceived fault. And your third post only further increased that feel by implying that people here were incapable of truly understanding others' faults and woes because they're too deeply obsessed with their own issues they don't take the time / care about others.

And to be completely honest, your behavior here has lightly offended me. Some of the points I detailed above are exactly why.

You want to abandon this thread? Fine, I'll just get out of it. Don't expect me to respond again.

[winkio]

Look Ulta, I'm sorry.  I'm sorry about everything bad that has happened to you on this site.  I'm sorry about all the unnecessary obstacles that you have in your life.  I'm sorry I can't do anything about it.  I'm sorry for all the times I've annoyed you, or hurt you.  If you don't post in this thread again, or in this forum again, or if I never even make contact with you again, I want you to know that I truly am very sorry.

I am really the only person in this thread that should be apologizing, just to make that clear.  I made a mess of things, I'm sorry, please forgive me.

I'm not looking for empathy.  I'm not looking for advice.  I'm not looking for anything.  Perhaps that's why it's so hard to stay away from a conflict.  This isn't a fast food drive through where I order 'empathy with a side of advice' at the counter, get it, then continue on my way.  I just wanted to interact with you about a specific habit that I have.

Yes, I said I was abandoning thread, but I can't leave it in a state where I'm causing bad feelings, that is horrible and irresponsible.  Also, this thread has a higher potential than most to create lasting misunderstanding, so I am attempting to avoid those as well.