Global Warming

Started by Fantasist, January 10, 2008, 10:27:29 am

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I was just talking about solar power plants without the home installations. And there are several various types of power plants, not only the ones that use liquid salt. ;) They are the most advanced, yet almost nobody knows about them. But everybody knows about solar cells. ::)

Yeah, but first I hope that the prices fall. If they keep raising, it won't be that easy to simply fall back to free gas/power. #_#
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theyll have to slowly like, siphon out our current energy form when that comes, to protect the economy. and theres a probability that companies that DEPEND upon Oil will, and might be already, pay off scientists and such to NOT make a new form, theyll figure, 'this wont happen in MY lifetime, I dont need to worry about it NEH NEH NEH GREED >:K' thenagain, maybe humanity will change, I doubt it, but meh.

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I just watched the Al Gore Documentary about Global Warming. Eventually, they say Global Warming will eventually flood the coasts and the cities, which includes Manhattan. Global Warming also ruined the environment by moving in creatures who aren't supposed to be at that time. For example, the Pine Beetle who resides at the West area isn't supposed to be there during the Winter, but apparently they are because of the rise in temperature. That means the trees get eaten and D:...

Also, Carbon and etcetera rates are at their all time high, even in generations before. This is the highest it ever been, off the charts. I wish humanity will change however, but we'll see about that.

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A lot of those are some pretty bad missnomers though.  The biggest mistake people make is thinking nature is static when history proves otherwise.

It's natural for entire landscapes to change and species to die out.  And on an overall scale it's healthy for the planet.  The Bark Beetle and animals moving across locations is nothing new either, it's simply a fact of life.  I mean you can't expect insects, mammals, amphibians, and reptiles to respect state boundries, they're going to move around and overtake new areas in the search for survival.

There's also been evidence that we're still exiting the last ice age, which basically means the warming trend we're experiences not only has been slow, but may be totally natural.  Does that mean we're not contributing?  No, but it also means that it's possible it's a totally natural phenomenon that we're well aware of.  The polar ice caps melting is bad but it's also on another cycle.  80 Million years ago there was no northern polar ice cap, the average ocean height was 20 feet higher then it is today, and the average world temperature was almost 10ºF warmer then it is now.

I realize Al Gore is trying to do good for the planet (though he's a hypocrit, since his home has one of the worst energy use standards in the country, and he even borrows energy tokens to pay for it).  But you can't take "An Inconvienent Truth" as fact because a lot of the science he's proposing in there is still speculative.

There's a lot to this issue which hasn't been addressed, and others which are said to be fact when they are, in fact, not studied for long and well enough to conclusive prove it's existince.  My point being is actually study the facts for yourself and don't rely on scare tactic movies like "An Inconvienent Truth" to sway your opinions.  By and large the scientific community agrees that global warming does exist, the debate is weather man caused the whole thing or it's a natural trend (which happens on a 20,000 year cycle).

There's a lot to nature and weather that's often used as a scare tactic that simply isn't true.  I've been told as many as 7 species will become extinct each year.  And I've heard that as many as 10 new ones may emerge.  The total bio-mass of the planet is really no less now then it was hundreds of thousands of years ago, it's just been changed, evolved, or died out.  The cycle of life is what this is really about, and simply put there's just not enough we know about it in the 400 years of true study we've done on the subject to diffinitively say "the world is coming to an end!"
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at any point I still hate humanity, it dont matter if there causin it or not, Humanity is still causing many grieviences to Earth, I couldn't explain it to someone whos pure science, Ive tried, they just cant hear anything that is emotional, or something like that, there all MENTALITY, and bullcrap. at any rate I;ll leave this thread as im not contributing much and it just succeeds in ticking me off. later

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March 15, 2008, 03:23:18 pm #86 Last Edit: March 15, 2008, 03:23:53 pm by Phasedscar
Pure science is as bad as pure religion, both lack any morals and they bend to their own decadince and coward behind their "almighty providence."

So I completely agree with you on the fact that humanity as a whole is a very beastly creature.  Thankfully we don't have very many Dr. Magdolins anymore, but that doesn't stop terrible people from being experimented on or others being completely brainwashed into thinking that Googubugajubi will save them from the 2nd coming of the Grays.

The point I was making is make your own decisions on the cases of global warming, don't let others tell you what to think.
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i never let others tell me how or what to think.

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Yeah, always be an idividual and think for yourself. It may be easier to just listen to others, but don't let them take away your individuality by brainwashing you.
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I just said that you should keep it up. O_o
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March 19, 2008, 11:27:18 am #92 Last Edit: March 19, 2008, 12:18:13 pm by Fantasist
omg, this thread is revived!

QuoteI don't believe Global Warming is completely caused by man, though I know we do contribute.  But I also thing the Earth is MUCH more resilient then we give it credit for.  I mean after all we've suffered 6 mass extinction periods before entering this age.

Exactly my point!

QuoteGranted that the dinosaurs demise was not for environmental reason, but rather the cataclismic event known as the KT Event where a 6 mile wide (9 KM) meteor smashed into the earth, causing any living thing within 1000 miles of ground zero to perish instantly.

Is that so? In Lost World (sequel to Jurrassic Park novel, by Michael Chrichton), there's something about the behaiours of dinosaurs being the main cause for their extinction. I'd like to know what you think about it.

Quoteand we're barely a fraction on it, and as far as we know we're killing it, and all we think is 'Oh shit, Earth might be dieing, HOW DOES HUMANITY SURVIVE?!' not a single person gives a shit about the planet. its all, OH NO HUMANITY GONNA DIE! if Earth is threatened but humanity will be fine itd be like 'meh, bye Earth, wheres planet number two?'

No, we are a part of earth. And what you said is te characteristic of all the living beings on earth. Do you think every other form of life is living in 'harmony with mothe nature'? Wrong. Every being of life is 'selfish', and NATURE has defined it that way. Survival is a living being' instinct which keeps it's race going. And what if we search for an oter planet when earth is destroyed? Do you know about the theory where life on earth was said to have been seeded on earth, and not born here?

Quotetheres a probability that companies that DEPEND upon Oil will, and might be already, pay off scientists and such to NOT make a new form

Ah, but its companies like that who will keep an eye on the new technologies and are probably making their own research. They can switch over eventually if the need arises.

QuoteFor example, the Pine Beetle who resides at the West area isn't supposed to be there during the Winter, but apparently they are because of the rise in temperature. That means the trees get eaten and D:...

Phasedscar covered it, but I wonder how Al Gore knows for sure whether the Pine beetle is 'not supposed to be' at a place. Nature is complex, and even the patterns we have observed over thousands of years may adopt a new change. That change may be a part of the trend, or it might be the first of its kind in a particular system. W can never know for sure. This applies to ALL systems, is what I believe. So we don't really know how close we are to reality.

QuoteA lot of those are some pretty bad missnomers though.  The biggest mistake people make is thinking nature is static when history proves otherwise.

Seconded. People fails to realize how active the earth is.

Quoteat any point I still hate humanity, it dont matter if there causin it or not, Humanity is still causing many grieviences to Earth, I couldn't explain it to someone whos pure science, Ive tried, they just cant hear anything that is emotional, or something like that, there all MENTALITY, and bullcrap

Emotional you say? I had to recover from a mental breakdown when I was 14, and the issue was my hatred for the human kind. Don't take me for a freak or something, but I think I understand what you're saying. on't know about you, but I accepted what I saw, and I realized  wasn't looking at the water in the half-filled glass. The grievences and pain all around are so prominent sometimes, that we forget to appreciate the good things in life. I'm STILL LEARNING to do that. nearly 4 years and I haven't completely recovered. I think I understand your views on humanity Ulta.
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Phasedscar

I came close to the same thing when I was going through my puberty.  To be honest I think it's a part of growing up, we just gave it a scary name since "maturing" didn't sound frightening enough to cause people to buy drugs.

But that's a different story. . .

To get back on point.  The KT Event was widely believed to be the actual extinction even of the Jurassic.  Micheal Crichton is a remarkable author, and he spends an almost excessive amount of time studying what he's writing about.  But he wrote Jurassic Park: Isla Nublae a long time ago (I think it's copywrited 1996 or 1997, I don't have a copy with me, but I've read it) and at the time the debate over what caused the extinction of the dinosaurs was still pretty hotly debated.

It was the radar imaging from the space shuttle that finally put it to rest.  They found a 200 mile wide crater partly incompassing the Yeucatan Panninsula (sorry about my spelling, I'm really tired as I'm writing this).  Most of it is in the Gulf of Mexico and that's why it wasn't discovered until earlier this decade.  They found that, along with the strata of the rest of the world (the KT boundry), that it was 65.3 million years old, so it was major evidence in the Meteor Impact theory.

And...  Well what behaviors we know from dinosaurs is because of what we defer from their skeletal structures.  I mean, we still don't know if T-Rex was an active predator or a scavanger.  And more scientists are leaning towards the kind of all beast actually being nothing more than an oversized vulture.

On another note. . .

Many oil companies are starting to embrace new technologies mainly because they are getting pressure to.  Believe it or not, the public has an extreme amount of power on those particular types of companies.  Mainly in that we provide them with the sole source of their existance, money.  Economics is the single most powerful driving force for humanity right behind sex (yes.. a majority of wars and our history, the conquest of lands, was mainly to provide better lifestyles for our offspring, so one could argue that the mingling of genitals is the single most powerful urge for humanity... please don't quote me on that).

Also, in about 50 years they don't want to be out of business, they still want to be running multi-billion dollar companies.
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Yeah, you're right. And Chrichton's my favourite author btw. Did you read 'State of Fear'? I think it's awesome and I recommend it for anyone interested in this issue.
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State of Fear was the global warming one, correct?
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Yes, and about other environmental issues too.
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who was it that wrote that one with the adapting virus that the baby survived because it was crying and its blood vessels were wide enough to not get killed while the virus was in a killing state and lived until it adapted?

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Quotewho was it that wrote that one with the adapting viru....


If it's 'wrote', it's Michael Chrichton, in Andromeda Strain, right? Forgot the name of the character who figures it out, though.
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i spelled it correctly... see? wrote i mean.

yeah Andromeda Strain, also who wrote that other one? the one i think it was called prey?