Blizz-ABS vs. XAS

[Blizzard]

The XAS tutorials are alright, but they seem kinda incomplete to me.

[Nightowl Atticus]

Is anyone making a flashy demo that uses Blizz ABS?
Blizz ABS needs one too, if XAS has one. :/

Edit: Or waitta minute, I should check topics about games which use Blizz ABS.

[winkio]

If I ever have freetime again, I'll actually put some time and effort into Dissipate.  It took so long to get the base of it done that I didn't have time to make it awesome.

[Magus]

Still though, Blizz config is the greatest thing Blizzard have ever came up with. I haven't tried many abs, the last one I tried that wasn't blizz abs sucked so back I deleted it.

As I said before, Blizz-abs is probably the most user-friends Advanced battle system ever.

[Blizzard]

ABS = Action Battle System. xD

[dylanf3]

Actually, to tell you guys, i have tested 4 ABS-es.
1: XAS, newest hero version... Yeah, its flashy, Controls SUCK as hell.....
2: Mr.mo I liked it, but the hud is AWFUL, and its very hard to configure...
3: A evented system, quite nice, very customizable, but awful for a guy who cant sprite (same with all of above)
4: Babs, To be honest, when i tested this one, my first reaction was: Suckish controls, Ugly hud...etc, but when i looked closer at the config files, i began to like it more and more...

XAS
Pros: Demo is very flashy.
Cons: really NOT lagless... No smart enemies... F*ckd up controls... For non scripters and non spriters, very evil.....

BABS
Pros: Very customizable... Doesnt require spriting skills for weapons... Doesnt require heavy scripting skills...
Comes with a great config programm... Compatible with a LOT of other scripts... Lot of addons made for it!
Great forum with great people willing to help each other!!
EDIT# Doesnt need that heavy scripting work for the same result

Cons: Doesnt have a flashy demo... I want to have great sprites, but doesnt work for me ;P

[Blizzard]

Well, XAS sprites work with Blizz-ABS usually without problems. winkio is working on a flashy Blizz-ABS game and CoSLAL E.X.A. Edition will look a lot better. I'm just waiting for LB to make the cool action sprites. ;>_>
At least controls in Blizz-ABS can be changed and the HUD can be substituted with another one which the other ABSes have problems with. xD

[Magus]

EXACTLY! That's why blizzabs is the best of the best. It doesn't get any better than this. (that is until another version of blizz-abs comes out XD)

[dylanf3]

At least controls in Blizz-ABS can be changed and the HUD can be substituted with another one which the other ABSes have problems with. xD

Figured that out, when i was just toying around, now the controls are working perfect, WSAD and arrow keys, ALT for DEF and CTRL for ATK. The Z-Hud is perfect for games like this and To infinity and beyond!!!!

[filosofem]

Xas  is better ABS bliz

Bliz abs is very slow to work in advanced situations.

XAS .. Hero Mog hunter V 3.6   is full power for all.

[G_G]

Xas  is better ABS bliz

Bliz abs is very slow to work in advanced situations.

XAS .. Hero Mog hunter V 3.6   is full power for all.

Dont even start dude. It is not slow to work with.
Do you have to script every item, skill, weapon, enemy, state and pretty much everything in blizz abs?
Nope
Does XAS come with an easy to use Manual and Configuration program?
Nope
Do you wanna see the long list of features Blizz-ABS has?

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1.1.1. Built-in Features
The following list is a rough overview of what Blizz-ABS is capable of.
full keyboard input
customizable controls (overrides normal RMXP controls if necessary)
intelligent HUD system:
leader status display
hotkey assignment display
minimap / fullscreen map
fades out displays if player walks under them so the character can be seen
maximally optimized for least lag possible
8-way movement
pixel movement
enhanced movement (running, sneaking, jumping)
customizable controls
more than 60 options and settings for customization and support
enemies drop items (and optionally even gold):
allows you to define your own drop sound, drop time and gold drop icon
enemies can leave corpses instead of dropping items and gold:
corpses have their own spritesets
ABS Pre-Menu (compatible with most Scene_Menu CMS-es):
ally AI setup menu for customizable ally behavior for the player
skill/item hotkey assignment menu
you can use the hotkeyed skills and items instantly without activating them first
special weapon/skill/item/enemy setups:
define weapon types like swords, lances, flails, ranged weapons, etc.
shoot projetiles around with weapons/skills/items/enemies
define skill/item types like beam skill/item, homing shot skill/item, etc.
different projectiles types for weapons/skills/items/enemies
any skill/item can explode on impact
set up weapon/skill/item/enemy type, range, etc.
built-in charging weapon/skill/item/enemy attack system
skill/item projectiles can explode upon impact
skill/item traps
timed skill/item traps
summoning skills/items
very developed sprite handling system:
animation sprites for attack/defend/skill/item
sprites for each weapon
casting sprites for each skill
sprites for weapon/skill/item/enemy projectiles
sprites for chargings
different animation frame timings that can be set up for each weapon/skill/item/enemy
different charge animation frame timings that can be set up for each weapon/skill/item/enemy
shows icons for dropped objects
sprites for running/sneaking/jumping
debugging information for any weapon/skill/item configurations during the game
built-in caterpillar for allies:
allows stop-animated actors as well
putting an enemy on the map is done IN A FEW SECONDS
intelligent enemies:
can't see you if you are coming from the back
can hear you if you are close or doing something (like attack, etc.)
can't see through tiles defined by you as walls, but they can hear through
remember your most recent position if they lose you out of sight and try to track you down
they go around walls if necessary and find their way to their target
very developed battle handling (avoiding attacks, backing off, keeping a safe distance, etc.)
observe battlers and learn from their actions
heal wounded allies
call for help
can organize themselves in groups and enhance own abilities when controlled partially by a leader
evade flying non-homing projectiles
AI can be set up globally, individual for each enemy and individual for each event on the map
simply the most dangerous and most developed RMXP ABS AI available (exclusively)
intelligent allies:
they use the same basic AI like enemies, but can be individually modified by players as well
the player can create conditional triggers which allow the allies to act exactly they way the player wants them to act
player can change the custom aggressive/passive and offensive/defensive setup
summonings:
summon monsters to help you in battle
each summon acts on its own and is controlled by the Enemy AI
pets:
summon pets to help you in battle
each pet acts on its own and is controlled by the Ally AI
the pets can gain experience, level up, learn skills, etc., everything an ally can
AI setup for pets is available as well
status control:
see your status effect take place on the map
fully animated
less lag than other ABS:
the most powerful and most efficient Event-Anti-Lag System available: Blizz-ABSEAL
intelligent enemy AI update and handling (enemies think only when necessary)
intelligent ally AI update and handling (allies think only when necessary)
intelligent HUD refresh controller
fast method of event settings recognition
intelligent passability loading system for even less lag
bitmap pre-caching for increased drawing speed
lagless enemy health bars
sprite disposal if a sprite isn't needed
Alignments System:
create enemies on the map with different alignments
you can create enemies VS. enemies groups
you can create guards and NPCs
each group can be lifeless
each group can be linked to propagate alignment changes
each group can be permanently linked to propagate alignment changes permanently
Custom Event Triggers:
activate enemy events upon their death
activate enemy events with the 3 default triggers
activate enemy events with specific weapons, skills, items or enemy attacks
create events that act like dropped items
respawning of killed enemies
respawn points for specific locations where enemies respawn
respawn animations
additional automated custom animations for level ups, running away, calling for help, etc.
destruction engine emulator with less lag than scripted destruction engines
full control over the keyboard input
easy access the global Blizz-ABS information
change event setup anytime ingame:
i.e. turn enemies into critters, turn events into enemies, basically turn anything into anything anytime during the game
Battleflow Controls:
change enemy HP anytime
change enemy SP anytime
change enemy status anytime
recover enemy anytime
transform enemy into another one anytime
deal damage to enemies or allies anytime which can be just text flying around anytime
force enemies to execute any action anytime
Battleflow Conditions:
check if enemies have a state inflicted
check which battlers enemies can see
check which battlers enemies can hear
check which battlers enemies can perceive
check which battlers enemies have memorized
disable any button anytime
disable Blizz-ABS whenever you want
automatic fixes for problems that can occur with Blizz-ABS
full and professional documentation:
commented code
manual with all necessary information on how to use Blizz-ABS, what utilities it provides and which options and settings are available
documentation how the script is configured when configuring it manually
provides a configuration application that allow configuration and usage WITHOUT ANY PROGRAMMING KNOWLEGDE, just like RPG Maker XP was intended to be
full compatibility with most of Blizzard's scripts (Chaos Rage Limit System, Full Reflection System, Custom Stat Growing System, Easy Party Switcher, RO Job/Skill System, StormTronics CMS and many more)
full compatibility with most of Tons of Add-ons' minisystems (HP/SP/EXP gradient/slant bars, Animation Stack, Status Effects as Icons, Multi-Drop, EQUAP Skills, Target 'em all!, Equipment Requirement System, HP/SP Crush, Chain Status Effects, Auto-Revive, SP Cost Mod, Doom Status, Absorb HP/SP, State Breaker Skill, Demi Skill, Destructor Skill, SP Damage Skill, Energy Skill, etc.)
native compatibility with many other custom scripts without any edits in the actual script
create incredible event systems with just a few extra events to support Blizz-ABS
customize it however you want which is made as easy as possible because of the professional documentation provided

Blizz-ABS is way better and easier to use. If you want to prove everyone wrong make a game made in XAS thats not just thrown together.

Blizz-ABS has advanced ally AI and enemy AI. That and to start with Blizz-ABS you can pretty much just plug in the script and add some events named \e[1] if you want to test it out.

So dont even get started with that shitty post of yours because you proved nothing in XAS is better in Blizz-ABS you just said it is better. So therefor you lose.

[legacyblade]

He is just one of those n00bs who sees the demo and decides that means XAS is inherently better. Once they actually try to create only custom skills, smarter AI, and configure it to meet the needs of their game (rather than just configuring their game to meet the needs of XAS), they realize just how much of a pain the system is. Once you try blizzABS and see just how customizable and powerful it is, without being confusing or laggy, you understand how much better it is. However, there ARE some situations in which the XAS system's design make things easier. Not that you can't make it work in blizzABS, but sometimes it certainly IS easier to do something in XAS (switches are an obvious example)

[C.C. rOyAl]

I used to be one of dem n00bs lol
then this community showed how awesome blizz abs is, and now spit upon XAS!

[poxy]

I'm gonna throw my two cents in since I've played around with both.

First off they're both good battle systems, both written by creative and talented programmers. I'd argue that either can be well suited for an ABS game depending on what one's going for.

XAS is very good in that it allows to better customize actions without a lot of programming know how. For non-standard actions Blizz-ABS requires some lateral thinking and programming knowledge to move the battlers and skills around as needed, and to add custom effects (though Blizz-ABS is compatible with tons of add-ons). XAS comes with a "pre-flashified" demo, though it shouldn't matter if one wants to make an original art game. The fact that it's in Portugese is not a drawback as some have mentioned, it's a bit irritating to see that self centered view. There's always online translators and google which found me an English translation.

However, Blizz-ABS has a number of features XAS lacks, a lot of which've been mentioned. I think the pixel movement, support for 2+ party and AI stand out most.

On another note, I'm working on a flashy-type game using Blizz-ABS which will have sprites (original and modded) for actors and enemies to attack, use skills, etc. I've been working mostly on sprites for a few weeks, originally intending to use XAS but I've since switched gears to Blizz-ABS. The demo's about 80% done... and I may post the enemy action sprites for others to use once I release the demo.

[Blizzard]

And Blizz-ABS works with RMX-OS. Today or tomorrow the full version of the plugin will be out. :3

[lynchking]

Too bad you have to either A. Master Portugeuse to use XAS, B. Be a master of scripting, which i am neither. I have tried to reverse engineer it if you will, but god the language barrier is death.

[XxxZEROxxX]

NO ONE GIVES!

[WhiteRose]

IF YOUR SMART AT RPG MAKER MOST OF YOU AREANT EXCAPT FOR MOGHUNTER BLIZZARD CLAVIN

Have you even looked around CP? We have some incredible scripters, not to mention spriters, musicians, writers, and eventers. I'd like to see some of these many scripts you've supposedly made.

Also, please don't double post within 24 hours.

[XxxZEROxxX]

IDC

[XxxZEROxxX]

PLEASE CLOSE TOPIC Theres just to much fighting just over 2 systems
XAS and Blizz-ABS are both good they each have there own parts
every one cant make there systems the same its wrecking this forum +
every systems diffrent mabye if u ppl would just try them both add them togethere and go on ith your rpg maker xp game making use the system you like NO ONE CARES who uses what idc ethier so please close the topic and go on with your lives! GEZZ
YOU ALL KNOW EVERY ONES DIFFRENT I LIKE XAS U LIKE BLIZZ-ABS.!So What!? blizzard makes his MOG makes his so every one can have fun using rpg maker XP and use a diffrent way of fighting instead of that crapy way they give you rpg maker VX has the worst